The Qur’an II

hi thomas, sometimes you tick me off, sometimes you astonish me. if you wanna ask about violence, Islam doesn't condone violence. many mosques has also been attacked by americans, defenseless ppl being shot barbarically in mosques. if i ask why are there many violent americans, can you answer my question?

i never knew about muslim-christian enmity there in your place, i can't even imagine it. thus i'm sorry i can't answer it. simply bcoz i don't fathom how it should happen, & i don't know why it did, if it's true.

but if you ask me does Islam condone violence, Islam does not condone violence. muslims & non-muslims live in medina under a constitution which protects both rights. if you come in peace, we accept you with peace. if you come to attack us, we have no choice but to defend ourselves. that's simply it.

Quran, 2.190: And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.


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Salam Alaikoam Brothers some laws to promote violence like cvutting the hands of thieves, stoning and hanging people or whipping them these are violent acts that do nothing to give the person education or training to change their ways.

These laws only succeed in giving bad people an excuse to use force to get thier jollies and revenge.

Good laws use education and training, counseling and consultation as justice.

There is hope as Islam was never and can never be fully contained in one book or even a series of books as it is always growing and evoling.

Though I have to say it seems sometimes the people of Islam regresses to cave man level.

 

 

 

 

Hi Firewall:  Why many mosques has been destroyed by Americans? In war or peace ?

Well, let's not talk about about war, there is no end discussing that.

 

Let's stick with during peace-time. Wel my answer, based on the Bible on your questions if there mosques destroyed, is that it is totally wrong. There is no verse in the Bible that commands to destroy houses of worship and even retaliation at all! You know of course of the Chtistian command : "give the other cheek" ?

 

But you haven't reponded and commented  the very actual current events that there are many Islamic groups that instruct terror and violence, jihad, justifying their acts on the Qur'an?

 

Well, you can easily look it up in the Internet about the violence and terror towards the Christians - now still ocurring - in my country.

 

Amlhabibie :  Just keep the problem simpel and solve it step by step. First step : if you don't agree with violence by Islam, where is it stated in the Qur'an that violence is not permitted? If its permitted and the verses [=God's word] supprting that, then it is justified to do that by Moslems?

 

 

Thanks,best wishes.

 

Tom.-

TOM:
1]  We Christians bow down to Christ, because He is God. And, it si not ME saying that, but he said that himself, and God himself said that Christ is himaself, the Bible says that, God's himself says that. A lot of verses in the Bible say that.

EARLIER POSTED BY TOM:

"No, Christianity believes just in One and Only God, as Islam does."

Arnt u contradicting urself?Any way, i will ignore it.Say tom, how come there r so many ERRORS in and CLEAR CUT CONTRADICTION in Bible?I posed this question in christian chatroom(Yahoo!'s)and was replied 'This is not original Bible as revealed by God, as it had been trasnsalted from different languages. 'I understand that becoz of this bible may contain some errors.BUT WHAT ABOUT BIG ERRORS?there r thousands of errors in Bible.How can u follow the claim of what Bible says?A book containig errors?It couldnt be the word of God now, with SO many pollution in it?  now Quran claims that this  book also contain the words of people who added lots of other thing for there personal gain!And that looks like truth.
So, if u say that letus remove the irrelevent portion, how will u know wat is true and and what not?U will need another book of God to judge the claims of Bible.And alhamdillilah, we now have another book for that purpose.......a book from God.........Guess?
Im not saying anything against bible, in school, i had one chapter from the Holy Bible and it is really cool and full of wonderful teachings.More or less, the whole thing macthes with the teaching of Quran.But alas, the whole Bible is not like that.

2]  Well Christ is one of the "forms" as you mentioned it yourself : of H2O, where H20 is God. And, of course he can eat food as a human does, but he can also do without food, as God. Why should we conclude that "if God ate food he will cease to be God" ?  Because God does'nt need food? But if he wants to act and to be a human being and eat food, what is wrong with that?

I dont know if there is any verse in Bible which says that God dont require any food, as he is above such needs, but i believe there is one verse in Holy Quran that states that God dont require food(Im not sure).Anyway I was only giving an example of food.As i hv already told u that God cannot do everything and anything, rather he has the POWER over everything.
In fact I can prepear a list of things which God cant do.
a)He cant kill himself.(Logic)
b)He cannot die(like u believe Jesus(PBUH) did, anyway thats not true)
c)Allah says in Quran,"there are none like Him".So if he cant create another God.And even if there were more than one God, how come there happens to be so much of Harmony in nature?
d)God cant tell a lie(now plz dont reply with"Ah, thats what u think".plz)
e)He cant contradict himself(agree?Then u will have to agree that Bible is not the pure word frm God)
f)He cant take the form of Human being or Jinn and act accordingly(like eating drinking, etc.)
In fact there r lots of other thing which God cant do.Reflect.
3]  Yes, Yesus can do miracles, just because he is God. If you say that it is GIVEN to him, that is also OK. Why should God not be able to give something to himself ? Perhaps too difficult to grasp?  Not difficult if we human beings, use our reason, our mind, our ratio, and just understand that God is the Super-Super-Super Being, and ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.  Without any limitations. Without limitations and just beyond the capapcity of our human logic. He can become a human being and eat.

See f) above.How did I say that?cant God take the form of human beings?Yeah maybe he can.If u insist so much on that, i will agree for the sake of argument that he can take the form of Human Beings.BUT I WONT AGREE ON THE STATEMENT THAT HE CAN EVEN LIVE THE LIFE LIKE HUMANS.Why?God cant eat and drink and go to bathroom like humans.U say that it is beyond the human logic to imagine that but it is possible.Thomas, lemme remind u that u r arguing with HUMANS and we people use only that much logic as has been provided by Almighty.Why, if I use my wild  Imagination, I can say that God can even lie.GOD LIEING????Impossible.But now I say that " Perhaps too difficult to grasp?  Not difficult if we human beings, use our reason, our mind, our ratio, and just understand that God is the Super-Super-Super Being, and ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.  Without any limitations. Without limitations and just beyond the capapcity of our human logic. He can become a human being and eat.& lie. and what not".But no, we muslim have faith and it is faith which gives us trust.
I gv u this example.I invent a t.v then to correct it I dont hv to become a t.v set.Remember?

4]  The word Father is mentioned in the Bible, and if you judge it wrong, here I say that you don't listen what the Bible says. That's why : just read the Bible, and, of course, most effectively, with guidance of a Christian scholar. "Father" is just being used as in our daily lives, with "Son". But : mind you, both remain H2O.

I agree.Though i havnt read Bible, even if i will, I will have Quran with me so that i can check regulerly the fact of matter.And no, I dont need any christian scholar breathing on my neck as i read bible.Reason?because these people r already christian, that is, they already believe in abook with lots of error as the book of God.I must say I wont be able to trust them and their ideas.
If, for a hundredth time,ther property were not  to change, then the "son" would not have lived the life like human.

5] About PS :  I know that Islam considers to be a correction and rectification of the Bible. But, my still unanswered question : What exactly has been corrected? OK, Yesus Christ as God's son, I was explained with the relevant verses of the Qur'an. But then: what about Yesus Christ to be the Judge of us all during Judgment and Resurrection Day ?

There u go.Honest, hv u read Quran?What exactly u think quran is:a corrected bible?In many a way it is.But it has other things also, not only about past and all that.Did u expected that Quran will point each and every error of bible, mark it with red pen and correct it?
Anyway,Jesus (PBUH) is not the son of God is mentioned in the quran  , and, applying common sense, if he was not the son of God, he was a human.When Allah(swt) clarified this, do u honestly think that there was any need left to state that Jesus(PBUH) a prophet, will judge the whole humanity??

For eg., I am suppose the chairman of a firm.My job includes giving salary to employees.Now there is a rumour around that a certain Mr.Roy is the new chairman and he will give salaries.I squash this rumour by giving a written statement with the firms trademark singh that i am the chairman and Mr.Roy is only a clerk.Need I specify that Mr.Roy will be the salay giver?No.It is understood that Mr.Roy is only a clerk and the job of clerk is simply different.
It will be almighty Allah who will judge u and me and everyone in this wide world.You are warned, beaware.

Because Yesus as the Supreme Judge has also been mentioned in the Qur'an as I was told. Being stated in the Qur'an then it is still valid what the Bible says?

On the day of judgement Jesus (PBUH) will be brought forward and Allah will ask him why he told the people a lie, by claiming he was God?To which Jesus(PBUH) will reply that he never said that and You know it.
This much i am aware.I dont hv any knowledege as Jesus being the Supreme judge.Can u plz give me the surah and ayat no.?

Then the logical question, on what the Qur'an says:  why ISA Al Masih is the Supreme Judge and not God himself? [Because we Christians believe that Yesus is God then for us it is just simply logic.]

 First confirm ur statement(that Jesus(PBUH) will Judge us by giving refrenc plz.I dont hv god memory, but as far as i know, I hvnt come across this verse in which Jesus(PBUH) is said to be the Judge.

6]  About mother or motherhood: very simpel : the mother is to blame. But, I still have no firm answer on whether those hostile verses really exists in the Qur'an ? I was told that those violent factions do have justification to exercise terror, but then you imply that there are no verses allowing that?

No, the claim is utterly wrong.You ask me where u hv problem(and plz give refrence no.).If u want u can search on the internet.There r lots of sites which accuses islam of this and that..........lots of lie , ridiculus and absurd claims.................

This sofar, Dayem, if there are still other questions I have not commented on just tell me.
Thanx Tom, ur answer was very good and u had tackled everything I wrote be4.

I want to keep my posting short, reader-friendly.

Thats nice.But here is a advice before u reply:Jesus(PBUH) said,"Why do u see the speck in that is in your brothers eye, but do not notice the log that is in your eye?Or how can u say,"let me take the speck out of your eye", when there is log in your own eye?"
So plz look at ur own religion before commenting on mine.
Thanks.-
U r most welcomed,
Tom.-
Dayem.
PS>Why do u call Jesus(PBUH) as Yesus?

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