Islamic Caliphate Declared

I registered because I think the more Muslims who speak out against ISIS, IS, ISIL - whatever name they go by - the better. Can anyone deny that kidnapping journalists IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE? Let alone beheading them? Can anyone possibly justify that it is truly in Allah's cause to do such things? Journalists - people who want to report, photograph, provide information so that the people of the world can accurately assess and judge the events that take place all over the world. These people are simply straight-up criminals. They rob banks, kidnap people, extort people, murder innocent people, and on and on and on. These are the people who are supposedly the leaders of Islam, declaring an Islamic state? I don't think so. I think they're a bunch of backwards psychopaths who are earning sin and destruction and evil. There is a hadith which I am quite attached to, in English (I don't speak Arabic) it is translated thus:

Narrated Abu Musa:

A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. (Sahih Bukhari  Vol 4 Book 52 Number 65)

Considering we know that Allah's Word is the truth, that it simply is superior, what I take this to mean - and this is just my personal thoughts - is that fighting in Allah's cause entails things like striving to be a good neighbor, a good example, turning away from ill speech, repelling the bad deed with what is better.

I think that anti-American and anti-British sentiment amongst Muslims is misplaced and an ignorance. In the city in which I live, in America, there are many masjids. Certainly there are more churches, but there are many masjids. Muslims are out and about doing stuff, every day. There is no state-sponsored activities discouraging us from being Muslims and carrying out our business. Should it not, then, eventually become clear to the broader population that Islam is the truth and that our lifestyle is superior to that of intoxication, fornication, falsehood, usury, etc etc? I think in an environment of freedom of thought, choice, religion, etc, etc, the truth especially becomes clear against the false. This clarity is made VASTLY more stable because rather than being forced to avoid intoxication, fornication, falsehood, usury at gunpoint - meaning, not because the individuals understand why these things are bad or incorrect but simply because other humans are threatening them with violence - people will come to the truth because they thought and understood why what is wrong is wrong. Only when people choose Islam will they truly believe.

ISIS will never succeed because they are simply a bunch of gun-toting criminals. I have no idea if they truly consider themselves Muslims or if they are just extremely cynical people using the name of Islam to try to grab power and obedient followers. But they will certainly fail and are certainly not going to become a state of any kind. Who would trade with them? Do they think they can build a society on looting and murder?

Abu Loren wrote: My only wish is that Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala sends a thunderbolt from the sky or a wind or send angels to destroy these enemies of humanity.

Elsewhere on this forum you have written that everything was created by your Allah. Therefore, according to you, Allah created ISIS, and Allah (who knows the consequences of everything) is responsible for all of ISIS's actions. Allah is horribly malevolent to have created ISIS. Moreover, the fact that Allah has not sent a thunderbolt, or wind, or angels to destroy them, is evidence that Allah continues to condone their actions. Moreover, don't you find it ironic that the most likely destroyers of ISIS are Christian-majority nations?

Edited by marcello - 04 September 2014 at 5:11pm

Abu Loren wrote: At the present moment in time it does look like only the Christian coalition of countries could stop ISIS. One reason that the Muslims do not get involved is because the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) told us that ALL Muslims are brothers and the Muslims will NEVER get involved because even though they are the oppressors we cannot kill them in case they are believers in Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. It would be a great sin if a believer kills another believer, but having said that if they are the oppressor then a Muslim has the right to take up arms. The thing is no Muslim is willing to take that chance. So you could say that a Muslim will NEVER fight another 'Muslim'.

Greetings Abu Loren,

How convenient... or rather, I should say inconvenient...

how very convenient... for the devil

Intelligent muslims must think of the irrationality of the kind of thinking and teaching that you shared.
How can an oppressor be one who belongs to the Creator?

It is interesting, I was going to ask, what about when the oppression is being done to non-muslims.  (this genocide, this ethnic cleansing, this is allowable?)
It is allowable for muslims to oppress non-muslims? (according to allah)
How can muslims not be called to stand up against oppressors whoever they may be and whoever they are oppressing?  especially when they are being barbaric and cruel, shedding innocent blood everywhere they go... (where is common sense and common goodness)

How can good ever be served under these type of guidelines?
How is not all oppression wrong?  (do you know good and loving neighbors that are not muslim?  should they be allowed to be killed?)
Wouldn't a loving Creator be against any and all oppression against any and all of His creation?

It is incumbent upon us as individuals that, if we are to serve the Creator, we know how to discern evil from good, and fight for the good
... and being called muslim does not always equate to good... just as being Christian or Jew does not always equate to evil.  What about these people whose hearts belong to the Creator?  It is ok if they are killed?

The devil has the muslims under his grip... to serve his evil purposes.

asalaam,
Caringheart







Edited by Caringheart - 06 September 2014 at 9:35am

Abu Loren wrote: It is true that everything you see and do not see is created by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala however ISIS was not created by Him . . .

You have contradicted yourself. Everything is created by Allah. But ISIS was not created by Allah?? How is that possible?

Abu Loren wrote: It would be a great sin if a believer kills another believer, but having said that if they are the oppressor then a Muslim has the right to take up arms. The thing is no Muslim is willing to take that chance.

Are you saying the Muslims are cowards? Or that Muslims think it's possible that ISIS is on the right track?