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Edited by Muslim75 - 21 December 2014 at 6:33am

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Edited by Muslim75 - 21 December 2014 at 6:33am

NABA wrote: Caringheart The meaning of statement of "LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMADURRASOOLULLAH"-there is no god besides Allah and prophet Muhammad is his last messenger.in this statement where is the odour of ascribing partner with Allah is present here????

Greetings NABA,

Is it ok to proclaim belief in the one God, without proclaiming belief in Muhammad?
Would it be accepted?

(I think it would not... this means that to a muslim, God can not stand alone, without Muhammad... they place too much importance on Muhammad.  I see this as a gravely dangerous deception for muslims... Muhammad seeking to usurp the position of Yshwe, Son of God, One with God)

asalaam,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 02 December 2014 at 12:24pm

NABA wrote: For your information we believe in all prophets (pbut all), Allah in ch 4 v 150-151 of Quran says that no believer is a believer if he doesn't believe in all prophets.lets take in this way u believe in bible.even In bible in book of deutronomy ch 18 v 18,v19, in gospel of john ch 15 v 26,in gospel of john ch 16 v 12- 14, coming of prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) is mentioned.when we say we believe in all prophets (pbut all), we directly testifying that we believe in one and only Allah because all prophets (pbut all) gave one message-to worship only and only Allah.there are different meanings of belief when I say I believe in Allah my intention to say is I worship only Allah, I ask from Allah only, I believe in his all books, I believein last day,I observe his signs in form of ssurroundins around me, I believe whatever I am I m because of him only, no matter how strong I m but I m nothing in front of him.when I say I believe in prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) I try to implement his sayings like, he said Allah loves those who never associate partners with Allah, who pray on time, who are good to parents, who have good manners, who read Quran daily, who are good to wives etc.u main to say if someone believes in u means he is worshipping you???? What nonsense?????

Greetings NABA,

I am not meaning to be upsetting, so I am sorry if our discussion is upsetting you.

Upon reading your statement what comes to mind is the main difference between my God and your allah, is that my God loves everybody, even the sinners.  Yshwe came especially to call sinners to repentance.  He spent His time with sinners... they were His main concern, because the Father in heaven loves all, and wants all to be saved.  My God doesn't just love the obedient, He loves everyone.  He does not want anyone to fail in the judgement time and be lost.
Do you know the parable of the prodigal son?  One son was a good son, doing all that was required of him, while the other son was not a good son and went and did as he pleased... but he came to repent of his erroneous ways and went home, and he was as valued and welcomed as the good son who had always done right... in other words both were loved equally, and there was rejoicing over the one, as much as over the other...  though he had not done what was right to begin with, he found his way home.
If the shepherd has 100 sheep and one becomes lost, will he not go in search of the one?  This is how our heavenly Father loves us... He never gives up the search for us in calling us home, because he loves us all even in our failings.

I don't know if you have children, but if a child fails in what he is expected to do, do you stop loving him?  Most parents do not stop loving that child, even though they may lose that child.  They have an ache of longing in their heart for the child because of the love they will always carry for that child, no matter how far off course he may go. 

Now imagine a heavenly Father, Creator of all.  Would He not Love the thing He created from nothing... work of His hands... even a thousand times more, and not want to lose a single one? 

I don't know, maybe it's the artist in me that allows me to understand, but when I have created something, put my careful efforts into it, I am devastated to see that thing broken, lost, or destroyed.  This I can understand is how our Creator feels about each one of us.  We are 'the clay shaped by the Potters hand', and in His Love, He continues to rework us until all the air bubbles... all the flaws, are removed...
or until all the dross has been purged.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart

The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

² Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.

³ Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.

⁴ And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

⁵ Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying,

⁶ O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand

Edited by Caringheart - 02 December 2014 at 11:36pm