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    Posted: 17 December 2014 at 1:40pm
Do muslim leaders speak a message of peace to their people...
either in their governments, or in their mosques?

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you  (the Word of Yshwe)

look not on our sins, but on the faith of your Church, and grant us the peace and unity of your kingdom where you live for ever and ever.

This is the message you will hear in the church on any given Sunday, and at any given service.  This was the message of Yshwe that is passed on each week in the church.

F.D.Roosevelt -
"In the days and in the years that are to come we shall work for a just and honorable peace, a durable peace, as today we work and fight for total victory in war. We can and we will achieve such a peace."

"We seek peace�enduring peace. More than an end to war, we want an end to the beginnings of all wars�yes, an end to this brutal, inhuman, and thoroughly impractical method of settling the differences between governments."

"Today we are faced with the preeminent fact that, if civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships�the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together and work together, in the same world, at peace."


All I have ever heard from my leaders are the words, the desires for peace.

I think what strikes me is that I have never heard this message of peace coming from any islamic leader.  Am I wrong?

Shukran und salaam,
Caringheart
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We don't need an islamic leader to remind us about peace.Allah had given us Quran and teachings and life of prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ),by following these a person becomes superpeaceful,eg Allah in ch 16 v 23, ch 4 v 173, ch 7 v 36 says Allah hate arrogant, Allah in ch 2 v 83 says be speak nicely to people,Allah in ch 28 v 83 says Allah will grant home of hereafter only to those who don't want mischief in the land.moreover I don't know about ur locality but before khutbah of friday prayer and daily after asir prayer an imam of masjid or learned islamic scholar talks about Allah and remind us about our duties in islam in mosques of our locality.
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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

We don't need an islamic leader to remind us about peace.


No? Looking from Africa to Afghanistan, it would seem that a good number are needed.
Apart from anything else to speak to the varied groups that consider themselves Islamic and also consider their methodologies of violence to be compatible with or even lauded by their understanding of Islam (how wrong or right it might be is a separate issue.)
These movements are not currently hearing a message of peace from their leaders.

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Originally posted by Emettman Emettman wrote:

Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

We don't need an islamic leader to remind us about peace.


No? Looking from Africa to Afghanistan, it would seem that a good number are needed.
Apart from anything else to speak to the varied groups that consider themselves Islamic and also consider their methodologies of violence to be compatible with or even lauded by their understanding of Islam (how wrong or right it might be is a separate issue.)
These movements are not currently hearing a message of peace from their leaders.

Chris

There is no "Mennonite leader", yet Mennonites have very rarely used violence, and are pacifist based on their understanding of the Bible.

Neither Christians or Muslims or Jews need "a leader" to teach them to be good and loving neighbours. The religious texts for all three of these religions teach this.
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More than leaders they need counsellors who can teach them real message of islam which is to acquire peace by submitting will to Allah.
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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

More than leaders they need counsellors who can teach them real message of islam which is to acquire peace by submitting will to Allah.


And where are they going to come from?

Meanwhile, I agree with you on the message of Islam, which leaves me just a degree or two short of peace because I decline to submit to a message and an authority I cannot regard as authentic.
That would be liable to get me killed in a few countries, and I've received a death threat or two in my own.
I can live with that, in reasonable equanimity and peace.

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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

"All I have ever heard from my leaders are the words, the desires for peace.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt
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Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

"All I have ever heard from my leaders are the words, the desires for peace.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt

Greetings abuayisha,

To be sure, there are many things to criticize about FDR... as there are about any leader... and things I would even agree with...

but the thing that I was addressing is the fact that I am accustomed to leaders that are always expressing the need and the desire for peace...

and how these do not seem to be the messages I hear from muslim leaders....

asalaam and blessings,
CAringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 22 December 2014 at 1:07pm
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