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Greetings Saint!  BTW, it is curious to me why you use "Saint" as your tag.  In the Bible, "saint" refers to the followers of Yeshua, you know, Christians.  Ah, well, maybe you have aspirations! Wink

I will refer to your most titillating comments:

Saint:  Anyone can climb a tall building and shout to make claims that he/she is so and so. How much weight should be given to such 'heroes'. If anyone has a speck of sense, they would study Islam and then consider in that light the actions of people claiming to be Islamic they would know the true identity of these people. But, of course, it is easier to criticize and condemn!

Now you are really sounding like an apologist of the terrorists!  Why not just man up and stay consistent with distancing yourself from the Muslims committing horrendous acts of violence all around the world, instead of  vacillating with condemnation of them one minute, then deflection of their actions the next minute!

Most ME countries are puppets of the west, selling a barrel of oil for a fancy Coke! Golden Monkeys really consumed by greed for power.

Now that is a joke!  OPEC has held the world hostage for more than 40 years with its cartel and now, with oil flowing abundantly from other sources (including the U.S.), their greed has caught up with them.  "Ye shall reap what ye sow"!  Puppets of the west?  That doesn't say much about the character of ME leaders now does it?  Greed, dear Saint, is the fuel that drives evil men, surely you get that!

LOL, this is not my research. But I shall definitely try to...........wait why don't you post your comments on the site where I got this from?

If you post info from another site and do not provide proper attribution, you lose credibility for any premise you are attempting to make. 

Also what is terrorism according to you?

Killing innocent people who have made no offensive action against their killers.  You know, like a soldier walking down the street and minding his own business....a woman tending her garden....Christians, simply because they are Christians.....office workers going about their daily routines in a NYC skyscraper....young Christian girls in Nigeria and women kidnapped to satisfy the lust-driven hordes of young jihadists, who are then raped and/or brutally beheaded when they refuse to "marry" their captors.  The world awaits peace-loving Muslims who will see it as their duty to hunt down the terrorists who have been inflamed by the teachings of Muhammad to the point where they commit truly inhuman atrocities against innocent people.  When are sane imams going to join forces with their brother imams to put an end to the slaughter, Saint?  When?  This is a Muslim problem and demands a Muslim solution!  The world awaits!

I would also like to know what are your views on issues like state torture and 'entertainments' like waterboarding?

I already gave my unequivocal response about waterboarding.  If it is successful in eliciting information from a terrorist on either his or other terrorist activity, do it!  And apparently, it has been successful.  Personally, I would chose acid rock music 24/7 and a few other tactics that I will keep to myself.  Of course, if a Muslim, who did not believe in the war commands of Muhammad but believed in carrying out the dictates of shariah, were to deal with the terrorists, they would behead them.  A head for a head no?

If there is anyone in denial it is you kingkid. Because you are denying any knowledge of white-collar, state sponsored terrorism.

There you go again, Saint, trying to deflect attention away from the demonic forces called terrorists.  Guess I can't blame you; they sure are not showing Islam as being a religion of "peace" now are they?

Your diatribe against America is just more deflection.  Obviously, you are not aware of the statistics showing that where our Second Amendment is vigorously upheld, the crime rate has gone down, not up.  That's not surprising since a criminal has no way of knowing if someone he wants to rob or harm is carrying a gun or not.  And those who are able to "open carry", well, a criminal will obviously think twice.  As to crime, that is an unfortunate side effect of living in freedom.  People can chose to do good or to do evil, and actually they do so whether they live under freedom or under oppression and compulsion like countries under shariah.  For me, I'll take freedom any day rather than live like a fearful slave under shariah.  BTW, women certainly do not fare well under shariah, so before you start throwing more stones while living in a glass house, you need to take your blinders off:

 
http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-islamism/womens-rights-under-sharia

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

In the end, if we fail to define the real terrorists and reasons for discontent and rebellion, condone legal torture, introspect, and until we ensure justice for the oppressed both..........nay all types of terrorism and senseless violence shall continue unabated.

You said if "we fail to define real terrorists and reasons for discontent and rebellion" by whose terms and definitions should this be done?  Ah, there's the rub, no? 
Res ipsa loquitur, Saint.




Edited by kingskid - 27 December 2014 at 8:45am
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Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:


A small point to end this. Should it not have been the Americans who should have been grateful to the Mujahideen? After all the latter fought the American's war for them and drove the soviets out of Afghanistan.

asalaam,Caringheart

Greetings The Saint,

"the latter fought the American's war for them" ?

that seems like twisted thinking...
who does the country belong to... the Afghans...
so how do you think this was 'America's war'?
a collaborative effort, yes... beneficial to both parties, yes...
but 'America's war'?  Hardly.
America saved Afghanistan from falling to Russian, communist, control.
America has not sought to turn Afghanistan into an American controlled country, as the Russians would have done.  If Afghanistan would have fallen to the Russians, Afghanistan would have ceased to exist as its own nation, and would have become part of the USSR.  The U.S. helped to prevent this outcome.

and yes, when wars are fought in other lands, many things get left behind because of the exorbitant costs of transporting them back.
Remember Russians left many things behind too.
Other nations are not responsible for what nations do with those left behind  things.  There is always the hope that the war is ended, and that bonds have been formed and lessons learned.  Perhaps there is a belief that those things will not be used as a threat, but only kept for defense.

asalaam,
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Edited by Caringheart - 27 December 2014 at 4:15pm
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Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:


O, I have seen reports which you have seen but question what I am told. You swallow the fare you are served because apparently it makes no difference to you what you read.

Greetings The Saint,
I have seen the pictures...
Syria, once so beautiful... so built up... destroyed to rubble...
you can't argue with that... with what Assad did to his own country and people.  It made my heart ache and my eyes shed so many tears for the people every time I saw it... when I see it now.
Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:


Assad obviously fought and attacked rebels hired and funded by the evil western axis, to topple his government. the west backed down when threatened by Russia because was a war the west did not wish to fight.

from my vantage point...
I see that, as an answer to the many that were praying for peaceful resolution...
Russia, contrary to what you assert about being a threat...
 brokered a deal with Assad to remove chemical weapons, thus resolving the conflict between the west and Assad.

Assad was fighting, yes, but to retain his control... to retain his position and his power.  The Syrian people came out with quiet voice to seek change and in response, like with any tyrant and oppressor, they were retaliated against with lethal force to subdue them back into their places of silence.

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Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:


I wonder if you are aware of how much restraint the former president of the United States, John F. Kennedy, used when the borders of the U.S. were being threatened with nuclear attack by Russia in 1962.
Even then the people were fearful of Communism, they were not turned against Russians.

I can see clearly that you are not very sound on history of your own country.

"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist party?"

In the 1950s, thousands of Americans who toiled in the government, served in the army, worked in the movie industry, or came from various walks of life had to answer that question before a congressional panel.

Greetings The Saint,

Correct... as I said...
"the people were fearful of Communism"
the country was set up as a republic, and a republic they wish it to remain.
The issue is, as it should be... with communism... not with Russia or with Russians.

Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:


Even during these times of tension with Iran, the leaders of the nation do not seek to turn the people of the nation against Iranians. The people's hearts are not filled with hatred for another nation. The politics belong to the hands of the politicians... to the political leaders. The people are always turned to ways of peace.

I can see clearly that you are not very sound on history of your own country. How much poison has been been spewed by the US leadership against Iran, at the height of the atomic spate? Did you not the hostility towards Iran instigated by Israel?


The leadership and policies of Iran are of course always going to be discussed.. those are matters of political concern... but the people and the country of Iran are not vilified as a whole, to the people.  The things which might pose a threat to other nations are quite obviously topic of discussion, but we do not have religious, or other, leaders leading the people to turn against the people of another nation.  Iranians are still welcomed into the country and are expected to be treated with equality.  How much are Christians or Americans welcomed into Iran?  How much treated with equality?  How much worse for  Jew?

No one is calling Iran, 'that great satan', though the possibility of threat to the world is greatly apparent...
no one is painting Iranians as those evil islamist people, or saying they must be wiped off the map.

This is the difference between people seeking peace, and leaders that stir people to war.

Assalaamualaikum,
and asalaam... I wish to convey message of peace, Smile
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Edited by Caringheart - 27 December 2014 at 4:19pm
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