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    Posted: 07 January 2015 at 10:39am
I find it very interesting and intriguing that wise men from the East came to present gifts and worship the Christ Child.  Since the Babe was about two years old or so when they found Him, I'm wondering if there is any other religion that has in their tradition or history the sojourn of the Magi?  For them to follow the star for two years looking for the Saviour of mankind makes me wonder how they knew about Him....


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I suspect that this story was invention like so many others in the NT.
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

I suspect that this story was invention like so many others in the NT.

You may be right, Abu Loren. It does sound a bit similar to some of the pagan stories that were floating around near that time.

In a way, it could be kind of like the story of the wall holding back Gog and Magog, that allegedly was built by Alexander. Just as the author of the Quran was repeating and slightly tweaking a tall tale that had been around since the first century, the author of Matthew could have been doing the same to a pagan story.

Or the story in the Gospel of Matthew could have been true. We will never know for sure whether there was a group of Magi who followed a star.

We do know however that there is no wall that is holding back a nation of people who will number in the trillions, and are separated from the rest of the world by a metal structure between two mountains. 


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Dear Kingskid

Do you know how a Christian expose him self as ignorant in his own religion?
and instantly, lose's any worthy attention to his religion, let alone to him.

And i'm speaking here generally, for we even have of the likes among Muslims.

It's When they speak of there religion and of themselves, or judge other religions and others, in a provoking manner.


I'm sure, as I am of Islam, not in true Christianity nor in the teachings of prophet jesses, peace be upon him, but due respect and regard to none Christians and in the manner of preaching to them.


In the Quran, God teaches his final and last messenger Mohammed (p&pbuh) and his followers, what translates to the meaning of :
(Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and gentle sermon, and argue with them even in a gentler manner.)
and in another verse :
([O Muhammad],and if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you.)


As of the Magi story you mention, haven't herded it before, and .. I could find it possible.
Specially, when there's a lot of events and stories of the like and same content that took place around the time of prophet Mohammed (p&pbuh) birth and childhood.





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Abu Loren wrote:  I suspect that this story was invention like so many others in the NT.

KK:  You mean there aren't any wise men at all in the Quran?  Well, there you go!Wink


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Dear ABC, what is provocative to one person is not necessarily provocative to another.  A sense of humor, whether Christian or Muslim, can be more effective than dogmatism.  You have your own way of communicating, but you can't expect to impose it upon others.  That is the biggest obstacle I see for Muslims:  their rigid, autocratic belief system that verily is not tolerant of other religions.  I was not able to get a topic posted here, in an interfaith forum, on problems within the Quran.  I assume it is because the moderators don't believe there is a problem with it, yet the moderators allow provocative comments about Christians and the Bible, with commenters calling the Bible corrupted, lies and deceptive, and all manner of blasphemy against Yeshua, the Son of God.  In a truly open and fair discussion, equal treatment would be afforded to all viewpoints.Confused


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The only blasphemy is to call 'Yeshua' the Son of God and worship him as God.
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"Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son."  (I John 2:22)
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