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bismillahi rahamani raheem,

Quran, 10:15 But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a reading other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day (to come)."

Sahih Bukhari, 8.76.499 Narrated Ghailan: Anas said "You people do (bad) deeds which seem in your eyes as tiny than hair while we used to consider those (very deeds) during the life-time of the Prophet as destructive sins."

dear amlhabibi. i've read your posts of "evolutioning" i.e. changing Islam. i hope i misunderstood your intentions, for changing Islam is not the right way. it wouldn't be Islam if we change it for another.
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Salam Alaikoam

Islam is always changing and evolving and occassionally it takes a step back ward.

What was acceptable 1400 years ago or 200 years ago is now not acceptable and this is due to education, counseling and consultation.

Islam the word means to submit to the will of Allah and Allah is ever revealing His many mysteries and wonders to us each moment and not to one of us but all of us each to a degree and portion.

Many pearls of wisom stream from Allah to us everyday we just have to listen and pay attention.

You may want to and may wish to contain all Islam in the Quran and Hadeath but this can never be done as all life is in a state of Islam and there for one could use the word life interchangable with Islam as it is the same thing, the same process.

Guidance does not just oridginate with books no Leadership and guidance comes from each of us and that is why excellence in education and training in many things is needed especially in skills such as good communication skills, good conflict resolution skills, healthy boundaries, parenting skills, relationship building skills and education in the stages and levels of sexual frustration and how to cope with these in healthy ways and especially community resource centers where questions may be asked.

All life as I mentioned is an expression of Islam and all religions are an expression of the evolution of Islam and it's diversity and the many paths Allah has given us free choice to choose from including following none and each person is responsible for their choice no one else.

There is hope for Islam and Life itself and if we want to see Jannah in this life then there is much work to be done and this work begins with each of us taking responsibility for our lives and our Families and if we are being abused, self abusive or abusing anyone then seek out training, education and excellent counselors to guide you towards a better path you, your Family, your Community is worth the effort.

Though going to counseling or training to learn some of the new skills I mentioned may seem to challengeing at the moment in time you will come to a place where you can say you are happy and this moment is Jannah at least within yourself and maybe your Family.

The Islam I believe in is an Islam that believes in True Justice and that is Education, Counseling, Consultation with Prayer and Living Prayers along with Hajj (Pilgrimage) made to all levels of ones life, ones family, ones community and ones Nation seeing where we need assistance, education, training and where we can be of assistance this is an Inter Faith Call to Jihad (Jihad means struggle and the first level is self.)

There is much hope and it begins with each of us accepting our share of the responsibility for positive and productive change within ourselves, our Families and communities.

No one should ever feel like Allah does not know they are here and that if they are suffering they have not been heard that is why we need to rebuild Self Esteem and respect within individuals, families and communities.

We need World Arising Responsibly and Spiritually.

Inshallah we will have a greater sorting out into resolution and learning groups than we already have now, Surah 99, 1-8.

Allah Bless each of Us on this Journey.

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anne marie, do you believe in fearing Allah ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2005 at 6:53am
Originally posted by Suleyman Suleyman wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by Suleyman Suleyman wrote:

I'll turn back to that thread after i have turned back to home....

I'll await

Angel please don't wait,i am not an discussion man at least in english...i just read and value them in my heart and inside of knowledge...take care...

Is that why you haven't joined in talks of late ?

Once you used to join in



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Originally posted by amlhabibi2000 amlhabibi2000 wrote:

There is work to be done on many levels in our societies, families, lives and world and it is a process we can call life or Islam take your pick.

Anne Marie

So you saying that life is islam / islam is life ?

And if life isn't perfect, then islam isn't perfect ?

Would I be correct in saying that, you did say take your pick up above - life or islam 

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I would say that would be an accurate statement of many things including Islam and life.

These theories, paths, methods are always evolving and changing for the better if and when people allow them to.

There is a continuing struggle to learn new and better skills and strategies in dealing with life experiences and in this it can be a challenge to let go of old ways of coping or doing as  they may be familiar and appear easier to do however some of the old ways have lasting negative effects.

There is hope and though there are some people who are getting along well others are still struggling and suffering.

Positive change takes as much effort as negative change but leaves a lasting wave of goodness in its path even though setting boundaries may appear to have other results creating your own little spot of heaven is worth it.

May Allah Bless us All!

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Originally posted by amlhabibi2000 amlhabibi2000 wrote:

Islam is always changing and evolving and occassionally it takes a step back ward.

You're equating islam with life here. If you put "life" where "islam" is, then yes I would agree with you, life is always changing and evolving.

But I don't think you can say that above and then say this:

Quote as all life is in a state of Islam and there for one could use the word life interchangable with Islam as it is the same thing, the same process.

if all life is in a state of islam, then islam cannot be life, or equated with life nor be interchangable with islam, if ALL life is in a state of islam (which is under the will of God/Allah in other words submits to the will of God) how can you say that islam is life, life is islam ?

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No offense to Amy but I think you may be confusing Angel in the name of Islam, and I mean this in the sincerest way. I do however agree with the initial approach that life was created and is functioning in the Islamic way. All of life whthere conscious or unconscious submits to a higher source. The birds may not call Allah by Allah but as Islam (as well as the Qur'an) puts it all life forms be it in the heavens and the earth give praise to God. Now as far as us humans are concerned our life is molded around the Islamic principle:

-When we breathe we submit to the natural function of inhaling and exhaling which our lungs work to get oxygen in our bloodstream to sustain our life.

-The same way when our brains tell us to feed ourselves we submit to this biological function to nourish ourselves with some type of healthy (and hopefully halaal) sustenence.

These particulars can be looked at in the biological function of life being Islam yes, but as the symbolic way of saying life is like Islam (and then Angel using deductive logic to prove that life is imperfect) I can say that symbolically yes and no. First and foremost our ideas of life being imperfect and perfect are totally subjective and hence are not universal. A philosopher by the name of Leibniz once said "This is not the best of all the worlds God has created." To me I believe that our idea of perfection and imperfection in respect to divine providence is flawed.

We cannot compared anything in matter of physical description to God or anything we deem divine. We may think Roses are "beautiful" but we cannot say that "God picked a beautiful color" because even if the words no matter how correct and poetic they are someone in the world even of that same belief may think otherwise hence our collective minds cannot universally believe every particular thing is attributed to God this includes life.

Life is the way God created it but its not our final destination as Allah says in the Qur'an. Hence the life that exist now must be appreciated and must be accepted as a type of divine test, this as much is noted in the Qur'an and other Abrahamic traditions. I do however inevitably think there are beautiful things in the world and things (such as women) are perfect in structure and form, but this is an individual opinion. I do however believe that the structure in which all things are perfect and functioning but then again this is my own opinion. I cannot say that Life like Islamis perfect because as Angel did someone will always say that life is imperfect hence Islam is imperfect....To save that type of disagreement we must accept that life is from divine providence and that its sacred and must be respected.

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