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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by amlhabibi2000 amlhabibi2000 wrote:

Islam is always changing and evolving and occassionally it takes a step back ward.

You're equating islam with life here. If you put "life" where "islam" is, then yes I would agree with you, life is always changing and evolving.

But I don't think you can say that above and then say this:

Quote as all life is in a state of Islam and there for one could use the word life interchangable with Islam as it is the same thing, the same process.

if all life is in a state of islam, then islam cannot be life, or equated with life nor be interchangable with islam, if ALL life is in a state of islam (which is under the will of God/Allah in other words submits to the will of God) how can you say that islam is life, life is islam ?

Angel,....wonderful....so deep par. can open so much doors about the issue....

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Yes Islam and Life are the same process as you will know the flowers always do their duty and obey the laws that are unwritten and built into their existance.

With Mankind we have a unique challenge as human beings are given free will do do as they please, however excellnce in education, counseling, consultation and open lines of communication and a positive attitude towards life can work wonders in challenging situations.

Islam is in all life and each of us are in various stages and degrees of submitting our will to be good and excellent people.

The challenge is to inpire people further to work together to solve all the problems and challenges we have in caring and excellent ways.

Respect is key here too however some issues cannot be left to chance.

There is hope and we have to built on this hope and create this hope within ourselves and others.

Positive change takes some effort and we and the world are all worth this effort and caring.

Islam is more than you know....

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by amlhabibi2000 amlhabibi2000 wrote:

 

Yes Islam and Life are the same process as you will know the flowers always do their duty and obey the laws that are unwritten and built into their existance.

With Mankind we have a unique challenge as human beings are given free will do do as they please, however excellnce in education, counseling, consultation and open lines of communication and a positive attitude towards life can work wonders in challenging situations.

Islam is in all life and each of us are in various stages and degrees of submitting our will to be good and excellent people.

The challenge is to inpire people further to work together to solve all the problems and challenges we have in caring and excellent ways.

Respect is key here too however some issues cannot be left to chance.

There is hope and we have to built on this hope and create this hope within ourselves and others.

Positive change takes some effort and we and the world are all worth this effort and caring.

Islam is more than you know....

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 

 

 

 

Es_Selam'un Aleykum...

Sister Amlhabibi,just one question for you please,is wearing hijab obligatory for muslim women?...if you will answer in your own mentality with yes or no i will be pleased...i just want to trying to understand ur reference....wa salaam...

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In history wearing Hijab was believed to save women from various abuses however it is evident that there are only a few things that can protect a person from the unwanted advances from others and that is fully understanding and comphrending how to cope with the levels and stages of sexual frustration, lonelieness, jealousy, having good communication skills, good conflict resoltution skills, parenting skills, education in how to build a healthy relationship and open lines of communication with friends, family, community and nation.

It is evident that state of dress has little to do with being respected as it has been show that numerous cultures dress in various states of undress and this seems to have little importance as there was no greater amount of promiscuity or abuses in those cultures.

The real issue is having personal boundaires and respect for others regardless of what they are wearing.

One effective veil is the act of lowering your gaze or looking else where.

(One hadeath of Prophet Mohammed PBUH) The time will come when Muslim men are of such high character that if even the most beautiful woman past before them naked in the street they would not harm her what so ever.  (I paraphrased as I do not have the original copy of this Surah)

If people were educated to deal with their emotions better and how to deal with their frustrations, sexual or other then the people and the world would be more caring and generous I believe.

Healthy relationships are key and important and the first relationship we have is with ourselves and learning to respect ourselves and others.

That is one reason why we need an InterFaith Call to JIhad of Education, Counseling, Consultation with Prayer and Living Prayer with Hajj(Pilgrimage) made to all levels of ourselves, our families, communities and Nations seeing what we need assistance with and where we can be of assistance.

There is hope and we have to build on this hope.

So to answer your question if Muslim men of all religions and those with none would respect themselves and other people woman would not have to wear Hijab, Burqa or other head coverings and would be respected regardless of what they wear.

Though I have to say there are appropriate places to wear cirtain things.

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 



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amlhabibi,

There is nothing wrong with making the world a better place, or bettering the state of the muslims.  BUT what you fail to understand is that this happens through Obedience to Allah (his commands).   All of the problems you find in the muslim and non-muslim world are due to the fact that people are not  holding tight (mutamassikeen) to Islam.  YOU CANNOT IMPROVE ON GOD.  Allah has perfected this religion for us.  Allah's laws do not need to be amended as do man-made laws. 

Allah says:

"...This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion..."

sura 3 ayat 5

Simply put, Islam is flawless.  You mentioned that you are muslim.  It sounds to me that you are a convert.  Am I correct?  If so, how did you come to Islam/what made you convert?

 

 

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Alaikoam Salam

The way I understand Islam is that Islam is a process of submitting to the will of Allah and we are all in this process in degreess making us all Muslims with freeedom to choose from the many spiritual paths Allah has set before us.

We are Messengers of Allah and as such we need excellence in education, counseling, consultation, prayer, with living prayer and make Hajj (Pilgrimage) on a daily basis to all levels of our lives, families, communities and Nations seeing where we need assistance and where we may be of assistance.

As Messengers regardless of what we do it is a message from the spiritual world, sometimes it is a cry of ignorance or suffering and we need the tools to be able to be an excellent voice for Allah though as I mentioned there is a Message or Messages in each persons life story and we can learn from this and who knows whose story or parts of it will be remembered ten thousand years from now.

I believe that Islam is always evolving and we are too.  If we have the right attitude and spirit we can accomplish many things and Inshallah personal and world peace will be on of them.

As for when I converted though I am tempted to say recently I have to speak the truth and say I have always been in the process of Islam and that I believe we make Shadah before we are sent into this world, each of us promising to be good people and serve Allah.

However it is the world and our attitude and spirit that either brings us closer to the will of Allah and being good people or giving in to anger, dispair or frustration and ending up being negative and a creator of unrest within ourselves and others.

So as I see it if we have any challenges then we should seek out community resources like counseling, education and training to teach us Healthy boundaries, good communication skills, good conflict resolution skills, parenting skills, how to build a healthy relationship with others and ourselves, education in how to cope with the stages and levels of sexual frustration and how to ensure we make an excellent choice in marriage partner or respect someone we have relations with if this happens.

There is great Hope in Life and Islam and they are the same there is no difference.

Imagine a world where everyone has the education they need, a job of some kind to feed themselves and there families, affordable housing, affordable medical care and recreation we can have all this however as I said it will take a great sorting out of people and everyone taking their place at the Table of Life and Islam and accepting their portion of responsiblitiy, caring for them selves, their families and communities and facing the issues that need to be faced and working as a team to accomplish all the goals.

Inshallah may it be so.

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Originally posted by amlhabibi2000 amlhabibi2000 wrote:

 

Alaikoam Salam

We are Messengers of Allah and as such we need excellence in education, counseling, consultation, prayer, with living prayer and make Hajj (Pilgrimage) on a daily basis to all levels of our lives, families, communities and Nations seeing where we need assistance and where we may be of assistance.

As Messengers regardless of what we do it is a message from the spiritual world, sometimes it is a cry of ignorance or suffering and we need the tools to be able to be an excellent voice for Allah though as I mentioned there is a Message or Messages in each persons life story and we can learn from this and who knows whose story or parts of it will be remembered ten thousand years from now.

We are not messengers.  Prophet mohammed a.s was the last messenger.  We are simply servants of Allah.  Yes we invite people to Islam, yes we enjoin what is right and forbid what is evil, BUT WE ARE NOT PROPHETS NOR ARE WE MESSENGERS.  

It's clear to me that you have some issues with abuse.  You mention it a lot in your posts.  So much that I think you copy and paste some of your paragraphs.  Were you abused as a child or an adult? 

 

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As I see it we are Prophets and Messengers each of us with a duty to be the best people we can be and assist others in being their best too, anything less is a waste of precious lives and life.

I will not comment at the moment on my life, however what I do know is that there is a lot of abuse going on in the world and it will take education, counseling and consultation as well as the other things I mentioned to resolve this barrier to personal and world peace in ourselves and others.

There is a great amount of hope in the world and it begins within each of us and we need to nurture and develope this hope more so it will become a certainty.

In this time we need affirmations of Faith from the seen and unseen and abundant caring for all realms of the world.

Whether we call the process Islam or Life really is not important what is important is that we live a good life to the best of our ability in being the best, kindness and caring people we can be most of the other things are are the stepping stones on our path and respect the Creator, Allah, God or what ever name you give the creation force and respect all life in the process of living a healthy balanced life.

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 

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