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lol..men u r tooo clever thinking statements r tricks now n gettin all paranoid..wat am saying is simple n y r u refering to the non believers as criminals..there r sum non believers who dont care about wats going on n they r just living normal peacefull life...n am here to discuss not to trick u into questions...n just for the record i agree wit wat angel is sayin..ez up pplz..enjoy ur ramadan...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by Brother123 Brother123 wrote:

Angel Do we care what you believe. Nope. :)

I'm not talking about my beliefs here. The discussion is on about you believing that believers/muslims are better than non muslims, you thinking that you are superior than others and why I think its wrong.

Quote When some one doesnt treat God with respect. Inventing lies against God. Saying God has a son. Then how can he/she be respected?

They still believe in God.

They are human beings just like you, just because they don't believe the same way about God as you, doesn't mean that you don't treat them with respect and equality, we are all human beings and face same things in life.

And you seem to stay with one group of people.

Quote When some one doesnt treat God with respect. Inventing lies against God.

And who are they?

Quote God is more important than humans. Dont u agree god is more important than humans?

I'm not going to speak about my beliefs about God here in this thread, this is not the subject. 

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Originally posted by Brother123 Brother123 wrote:

Man we are open minded to the truth not to the lies. Nice trick ...doesnt work. too clever for u :)

Quote You need to be open minded and realsie human beings are not equal.

really?? what makes you think that?

We are all human beings of the one and same species, just because some of us believe differently than you doesn't mean we do not deserve respect and equality from each other.

We are one and everything on this planet and universe are made up of technically the same things, since we are all one, we are connected thru all things, we feel what happens in another part of the world, and we hate many of the bad things that happen and we rejoice in many of the happy things, why is that Brother123 ?

Because we are all human beings and we feel and we go thru the same things DESPITE what we believe in, that alone should consitute to being respectful and treated equally. No one needs to be superior over another because of their beliefs. But it seems to be commanded in the qur'an, something I don't agree with.  

Quote A criminal such as an  lier is not equal  to one  who is truthful.

A lair is a criminal ?? mmmm .

Quote The biggest Criminal is one who lies against Godby saying He has a son.

Really and what if they are right ?

You muslims cannot say what is right and what is wrong in the injil so you cannot be certain for sure.

And besides we are all God's children sons and daughters, we are His creation are we not ??

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by Dayem Dayem wrote:

As salam u alaikum wa rah mu tullah wa bar ka tuhu,

ANGEL:I once again agree with most of ur argument...but..yah there is once again a "but".

U r right, we should respect others..and in turn will get respected..but my point is that even a person who is a muslim will respect others.Because we have been asked to.

Do really need to be asked ??

You shouldn't really have to be asked.

So if you weren't asked to mostly especially from God, you wouldn't ??

So much for using you God given brain   

Quote Now a person cares for other and in turn is respected..now suddenly circumstances changes..suppose he is suddenly converted frm riches to rags..will he continue to respect others?Will he not curse his fate?But if that person is a believer in God and last day..he will know that it is all a test..he will shrugg his shouldier and carry on..

You really sure about that ?

The person you describe, may or may not, a person may in the beginning curse his fate but he also has the ability to change his fate again. Some people became humble when they fall. Some people will still respect others.

Just because a believer believes in God doesn't mean he/she will shrug his shoulders and carry on.

Quote Now when u say something like service of humanity is the service of God..I agree..but frm where did this 'God' came frm?I thought we were discussing an unbeliever.

No we were/are discussing this superiority issues, where a believer is better than non muslims.

Quote As brother123 said, God is more important than humans.Well he is rite.We muslims are supposed to pray, as well as care for poors by giving zakath, etc, and try to strengthen the relation ships with other family members.We r doing it for the sake of God's desire only.

While you do it for God's desire, you do it for your desire else well, that is to get into jannah and not the hell fire

Quote As for 'some people not believing in God' they r doing a great sin..God created them and they r themself denying Him.Yes they r humans..but definately not equal to those who believe.

 Again, I rest my case on the "I'm better than you / I am the best because I believe and therefore don't need to treat you the same"

Honestly that is the mentality that is going on here.

Mankind is the only one here that fully understands where I'm coming from. Dayem you somewhat do but you are only half there, and Brother123 you are off track I think you need to learn some more about humanity

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Originally posted by Brother123 Brother123 wrote:


Asslamualikum,

It seems westren non-muslim thought makes women think that men are the enemy and they have to continously  challange and compete with men. And whilst doing  loose much of her own self in term of femininity and ealy marriage.

Is this disease also seems to be  gaining ground amongst Some Muslimahs?

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Don't worry brother, Western civilization is too much unnatural (and thus, unsuitable) for human beings to follow. It can't survive for long. It can exist only as a special case. Because it is artificial it takes very high prosperity and inequality (i.e, poor nations of the world supply the resources to the West)  to sustain it. In general, such great prosperity and inequality are difficult to sustain.

By nature, women are not adapted to work outside home.Even in the WEst, most women don't work outside home(although they have the choice). Therefore, very few "Muslim" women will choose to immorally follow the western way of life and work outside home in defiance of Islamic law (which is in sync. with human nature); and even fewer, will risk losing their head just to work outside home. Thus, they can easily be suppressed.

In fact, no where in the Muslim world (excluding Eastern Europe) Westernism can survive without great external support (presently, its only the West that supports it; earlier, the Communists were also involved).



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Originally posted by Brother123 Brother123 wrote:


Lemeese women get less inhertance than men. After this will you leave Islam? becase it doesnt agree with your femanism

Your calling Muslim doctors backwards and your kaffir doctors as forward.

More like kufr is backwards into jahilia. So its your kaffir dr's who are backward.

Look at your president bush cant talks like an illitrate and hes ur president lol


Don't worry about what Lame-Is (or lemmings or lemur, whatever) say. She doesn't want asians to take her work but  her employer does. That's why Americann companies outsource their work to other countries where people with greater skill are available at  reasonable rates.
I really don't give a damn about what these bloke-headed and feeble minded westerners say and I advise you not to respond to them,



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I lived  in an Islamic country four years.  I studied the islamic religion with an open mind.  While Mohammad may have done some good things during his day for the less fortunate female gender, it isn't being done this day and age.  It is the most depressing thing to read how some Moslem women care so little for their own gender and join the men in such harsh judgement and punishment toward themselves.

I am so glad I am not a slave to such a mean and devilish vehicle as this religion is towards women.  If it has been handed down in its purest form (in Mohammad's own words) that women are to be treated this way, then I am sorry but Mohammad was wrong.

Any woman who would     willingly take up Islam or the Mormen religion are masochistic to say the very least.  If God had intended men to marry more than   one wife, he would have made Adam and Eve, Joan, Lelah and Fatemah.  Wake up women !  Why are you buying all this crap ?

Do you like pain and suffering?  Or do you just like seeing others in pain and suffering?  You are participating in evil by joining in and trying to gain the approval of your pursecutors.  Allah knows the difference in a kind and an evil-loving heart.  Don't you know it was a woman who gave birth to Mohammad????

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Pardon me, but do u have anything against Muhammad(pbuh)?I didnt get it.

Sister Espira, I think the problem with is ur lack of understanding:who told u women r not treated equally?And in Islam?No way.U tell me the exact problem, I will try to help and remove any misunderstanding.

For example, Qur'an says men can marry 4 wife only if they r able to care and pay all attention to all of them.It is recommended that they marry only one.

Have u read Qur'an, by the way?

If Qur'an was against women, can u tell me the reason hy in US, every 4 convert to Islam has the ratio of 3:1 against men?That is,after every 3 women become muslim, there is man converting.( in US.)

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