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2Acts wrote: syed_z wrote: airmano wrote: Syed_z on 18:65 To start: The translation I trust the most is the word by word translation in Corpus Quran which leaves the interpetation to the reader. There the word "source/spring" and "mudd(y)" show up explicitly.      I guess you have found your translation of 18:65 on a Website like this. [/QUOTE"> You wouldn't say about just trusting one translation had you known the reality of Arabic Language. The classical Arabic Language is immensely rich and deep. The modern limited languages of today cannot explain each and every word of the Quran due to their being limited.As for your 18:65 translation, I would like to admit that I was referring to Asad's Translation and it is one of those I referred to is because of the words� "it appeared to him" as that is a correct translation of the word Wajadaha in English (for English readers), as English did not even exist at the time of Prophet Muhammad. I did not take it from the website, I own a copy of Assad's translation. [QUOTE=airmano]Looking at the individual translations therein you'll find that the vast majority translates it as something like "spring of muddy water". First, can you explain how you can logically identify/link the word "spring" in sea ? [/QUOTE"> My dear friend had you done some more research on Black Sea's water you would not be asking that question. You should know a fact about black sea which is unusual for a sea to have. I had shared a link earlier on Black Sea which not only shows the sun as 'it appears' setting in it but also a couple of facts mentioned about it. <p ="msonormal"="">"Looking at this particular body of water at a map, one could almost mistake it as a lake. It's surrounded by land by all sides, making its main source of water the rivers, which pours in fresh water. It does, however, get its fair share of salt water through Bosphorous Strait, a one-kilometer-wide waterway connecting it to the Mediterranean Sea. <p ="msonormal"="">Arthur Capet, first author of the publication on the decline of oxygen in the Black Sea and researcher at MAST, explained that fresh water settles in the upper layers of the body of water without mixing with the denser salt water of the lower layers. Furthermore, permanent stratification keeps the deep waters of the Black Sea deprived of oxygen and marine life tends to develop above this imaginary line." http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/27989/20160902/oh-black-sea-losing-habitable-waters.htmThis Body of Water, is unlike other seas as its main sources are fresh water as compared to its source of salty waters. Its formation is very different causing it to appear darker than other bodies on a satellite.This Hami'atin A'inin which is translated as "A spring" "Muddy" or a "Dark" "Turbid Sea" is basically to our understanding a body of water which is darker. Why is it? Because of high algae concentration which is also a fact about this sea unlike others. The word Hami'atin would not have been used had its water not been darker and would have been like other seas. The lesson that Allah is trying to teach us is to look for a body of water which is darker and NOT whether it is a sea or a spring or a lake or water falls or etc etc. It so happens to be that it has been identified, throughout the history by many Islamic Scholars, with a body of water which in our times is called the Black Sea. Another interesting thing to note is that Maududi translates the same Verse as: "he saw it setting in dark turbid waters"Notice that he doesn't use the word 'Sea' or 'Spring'. Therefore Ai'nin does not only means 'Spring' or 'Sea' it also mean 'Water' 'A body of water'.But why is Allah (swt) guided our scholars to identify it with Black Sea? What is the purpose of the story? Is it just to tell you a good bed time story? Is it just to teach you science? No, Obviously no. Its being done to help us identify the main agents of corruption called Gog and Magog, as they are one of the signs of the last days. This is not our discussion so we will leave it at that. [QUOTE=airmano]Looking at the translations that get closer to your version: The Shakir translation goes: "down into a black sea", explicitly not "the black sea" (If Mohammed wanted to express so didn't the Black Sea have an (Arabic) name ? Al-Muntakhab says: "He took the lead in an expedition toward he west until he reached a body of water -said to be the Atlantic Ocean, or more likely a mirky land abounding in swamps" Again in stark contrast to your claim. Looking at the translation that comes closest to your claim we find Shabbir Ahmed: (Conquering land to the West toward Lydia, he reached as far as the Black Sea.) The sun was setting and it appeared to him as if it was setting in the dark waters. Looking at the wiki entry on Shabbir Ahmed we find that he started to learn Arabic in 1970, so a recent translation. Another one along this line is the translation from Muhammad Assad, who published his translation in 1980. So, besides the many "murky waters" there are only the two recent translations which may insinuate "Black Sea". It is however surprising that these translations always pop up (as the Quranic Miracles) when the error becomes obvious and can be seen worldwide. [/QUOTE"> Thats a good point you made. I appreciate your efforts in trying to show me what you think is correct. But I would like to help you in understanding as to why Shabbir identified as this body of water with Black Sea.Let me correct you here, I have used Asad translation to explain you the words 'It Appeared to him' so you would understand that the Sun does not enter the sea. Asad in his Message of the Quran which is his official commentary on the Quran (on Surah Kahf) never identified this body of water with Black Sea. He just used the translation of Ai'nin as 'Sea' and not 'Spring' like others have and that is obviously due to richness of the Arabic language. So why did Shabbir who appeared to study in 1970 identify it as Black Sea? The answer is given by Maulana Maududi in his Tafheem Ul Quran in the following words:<span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:107%; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-ansi-:EN-US;mso-fareast-:EN-US;mso-bidi-:AR-SA">Ibn Jarir Tabari and Ibn Kathir have recorded the event, and Yaqut has mentioned it in his Mu jam-ul-Buldan that when after the conquest of Azerbaijan, Hadrat `Umar sent Suraqah bin `Amr, in 22 A.H. on an expedition to Derbent, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:107%; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-ansi-:EN-US;mso-fareast-:EN-US;mso-bidi-:AR-SA">Shehrbraz informed him that he had already gathered full information about the wall built by Zul-Qarnain, through a man, who could supply all the necessary details and then the man was actually presented before `Abdur Rehman. (Tabari, Vol. III, pp. 235-239; AI-Bidayah wan-Nihayah, Vol. VII, pp. 122-125, and Mu jam-ul-Buldan, under Bab-ul-Abwab: Derbent)The fact of this matter is that the earliest Muslims had already identified through their spiritual insight (as they were much stronger in faith that Muslims of today) that cities like 'Derbent' meaning 'Closed Gates' (a city which still exists today) were iron walls made in openings of Caucuses Mountains which stretch between Black Sea and Capsian Sea. Such iron walls were made to prevent wild tribes of Europe from plundering and pillaging the lands south of Caucuses (like Iran, Middle East etc). Most definitely scholars like Shabbir had read the works of scholars of the past, just like Maududi did.Therefore it is not correct to say that Hamia'tin Ai'nin came to be identified with a sea only recently. </span> [QUOTE=airmano]So, no, the Black Sea interpretation is the usual stretching of the Arabic Language combined with retrofitting the facts to the Quran. And even if it was the black sea: The sun still doesn't settle in it. Airmano Look my friend, understanding the Quran based purely on scientific terms is not what the Quran was revealed for. Anyone who has that approach is mistaken. Quran is not a book of geology or science, it is a book of guidance. It just happens to be that many revelations in the Quran are in conformity with the modern scientific findings.� The Quran says of it self it is plain and clear S.12.1, SS27.1 and 41.3.No matter how Muslims try to explain the problem away, the Quran is quite clear. It says the sun sank into a muddy pond! We all know this is not true. The conclusion is that either the Quran is not clear, or it is wrong about the sun sinking into a pond. Either way � the Quran is wrong.

Allah states in the Quran that the traveler found the sun setting in muddy warm water where there were people. This is an actual place the traveler went to get to where the sun sets in water. If any Muslim could show me this place I'll convert to Islam. I think you have touched on a discrepancy nerve.

2Acts wrote: asep48garut60 wrote: 2Acts wrote: asep48garut60 wrote: 2Acts wrote: asep48garut60 wrote: 2Acts wrote: asep48garut60 wrote: Dear Saved, I didn�t say �God may have sons by the tons as you mentioned�, I even deny that God has a son, even me explain to you what is stated in John 5:27 that there is the same understanding with the statement in the Quran 4: 171, Koran 5: 116-120 that Jesus is the son of man, not a son of God. You said �Theses titles concerning Jesus need to be looked at in the context of all the gospel. You cannot take one phrase and created a doctrine. � Therefore, I've read the contents of some of the Gospels, and I found a lot of contents aren't equal between one to another. do I need to prove? Regards, Asep Yes. You need to prove ! Dear 2Acts, Here are some evidence that I read: 1. Which one is true, 8 years or 18 years? "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and three months and ten days he reigned in Jerusalem. He did evil in the sight of God. "(The Book of 2 Chronicles 36:9) "Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem. His mother's name Nehusta bint Elnathan, from Jerusalem. "(The Book of 2 Kings 24:8) 2. Which one is right, God or the Devil? "Rise wrath of God against Israel; He incited David against them, He say, 'Go, count the people of Israel and Judah.' "(The Book of 2 Samuel 24:1) "Devil stood up against the people of Israel, and persuaded David to number Israel." (The Book of 1 Chronicles 21:1) 3. Verse unreasonable "And Shem and Japhet took a garment, and put on their shoulders, and walked retreat to the back and cover up his father naked and their faces turned their father in order not to see the body of their father were nude. And Noah awoke from hangover, he know what has been done by his two sons ". (Genesis 9: 23-24) Does God send Noah (a prophet) behaves like that? Could this fraud committed Jews to mislead the Christians? And many others. Regards, Asep Hi Asep The contradictions are easily explained. The Bible and Quran make different claims about them selves. The Bible is more like your hadith. It does not claim to be some kind of absolute literal WORD straight from God. Instead it claims to be the INSPIRED Word of God written by imperfect men. Basically it means �God breathed�. (2 Timothy 3.16) The Bible was written by human beings -men. Imperfect men who had the breath of God upon them. Men who were imperfect but yet were inspired. Any error in scripture is limited to the shortcomings of the vessel and not the message. Any such errors are limited and have no bearing on the ultimate message of the scriptures. The Scriptures are always right only in fulfilling their primary purpose: revealing God, God�s vision, God�s purposes, and God�s good news to humanity. The Bible�s message is directly inspired by God, and though he used human vessels to transport this message it remains accurate and trustworthy. However look at the Quran. Unlike the INSPIRED Bible - It is supposed to be the direct, absolute, literal, perfect WORD of God. But it has many problems and contradictions. The direct literal perfect WORD of GOD must not have problems and contradictions. Here are some examples- Contradictions � Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses. Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc. Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]? Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51]. Ridiculous � The Quran says Soloman spoke with ants. O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulayman and his armies should crush you, while they perceive not. Sura 27:18-19 But ants do not communicate in a sophisticated manner as to say. Sura 18:85-86 reveals that the Sun sets in a muddy pool. This is ridiculous! Throwing Stars at the Devils? The stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils? In order to not let them eavesdrop on the heavenly coucil? Not exactly a "scientific" world view. Sura 37.6-8 This is all just ridiculous and an example of how the writer of the Quran did not understand the facts of science. Regarding the behaviour of Noah. Do I think a prophet should behave like that ? Perhaps. Noah was just a man. Nothing more. He was not perfect. What about Mohamad. He ordered his men to piece his enemies eyes with hot nails ! (Sahih Bukhari). Is that how a prophet should behave !? Dear 2Acts, ----------------------------------------- Here are some examples- Contradictions Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses. ----------------------------------------- There�s no contradictions. Indeed surah 34:50 it like that, but the continuation of the verse "and if I got the hint, then it is due to what is revealed from my Lord. indeed He is Hearing, Most Near. " Such verse goes down when the companions of the Prophet always took the initiative to write down what was said by the Prophet, and he forbids to write other than what was ordered to be written. And verses to be written by them is only that which is revealed from God. Quran 53: 3-4 Then, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," He hinted to his companions that he was also a man who did not escape from doing wrong, as in a hadith narrated by Bukhari and Muslim: "All the descendants of Adam is guilty, and the best for those who guilty was who repent and not repeat mistakes." Apart from that, when he dies, his people do not worship him as God, as it has been done by the polytheists against Lata, Uzza, and Manat. ----------------------------- Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]? ---------------------------- The first Muslim is Adam. 02:37 � about: God provides a way to pray for the mistakes Adam, as mentioned in 07:23 02:127-133 about: Ya'kub descendants will worship only to the God of Abraham. 03:67 � about: Abraham is a muslim (muslim means one who surrender and submits to Allah) 06:14 � about: Muhammad is the first Muslim in his environment, at the time no one was embrace Islam. 06:163 � (same with 06:14) 07:143 � about: Moses is the first Muslim in his environment, at the time no one was embrace Islam like Abraham's religion. 26:51 � (same with 07:143) Explanation: Islam comes from the word "aslama" which means surrender or submission to Allah, and is derived from the word "salima" which means saved, thus says Islam can be defined that salvation from Allah. And the word Muslim is the subject or the person who runs the Islamic shariah. All the Apostles are surrender and worship only to one God. "Verily (this monotheism religion) is the religion of all of you, that is only one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me" (Al-Anbiya 21:92) Statement of the Apostles that they are the ones who surrendered to Allah, such as: Quran 02: 132, 10:72, 10:84, 21:25, 42:13 etc. ---------------------------------------- Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51]. --------------------------------------- What is mentioned in Surah 53: 1-18 and 81: 15-29 is that Muhammad saw Gabriel in the original form (not seeing God), that is in Sidratil Muntaha when it received the command about shalah 5 times a day and night, and when he was on earth. Then what is mentioned in Surah 6: 102-103 and 42:51 is indeed true that God can not be seen directly by the human eye sight. --------------------------------------- Ridiculous � The Quran says Soloman spoke with ants. O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulayman and his armies should crush you, while they perceive not. Sura 27:18-19 But ants do not communicate in a sophisticated manner as to say. Sura 18:85-86 reveals that the Sun sets in a muddy pool. This is ridiculous! Throwing Stars at the Devils? The stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils? In order to not let them eavesdrop on the heavenly coucil? Not exactly a "scientific" world view. Sura 37.6-8 ----------------------------------- There�s no ridiculous. What is referred to in Sura 27: 18-19 it is a real incident, because it is one of the miracles of the Prophet Solomon. Miracles is something extraordinary which no one is able to make it, because it is beyond human ability, therefore it can't be scientifically measured. What is referred to in Sura 18: 85-86 is that they see the sun set exactly vertically with a black muddy spring, and found a surrounding people who are not religious. Then, surah 37:6-8 �throwing stars at the devils.� Vision of the human eye is limited, whereas in this universe there are creatures that physically can be seen and some are not viewable (unseen), and it would be hard measured by science, and for a Muslim who was given the knowledge of the unseen (ghaib), they will believe it. Therefore the devils pelted with stars is a natural thing, because sometimes the earth is located between two devil horns. And that's one of the secrets of the dawn prayer (not all muslims know it). ------------------------- This is all just ridiculous and an example of how the writer of the Quran did not understand the facts of science. Regarding the behaviour of Noah. Do I think a prophet should behave like that ? Perhaps. Noah was just a man. Nothing more. He was not perfect. What about Mohamad. He ordered his men to piece his enemies eyes with hot nails ! (Sahih Bukhari). Is that how a prophet should behave !? ------------------------------ I think quite the contrary, when the Quran was written, people didn't know the science, but the Quran has informed about science, and now one by one can be provable, for example: the sun has its own orbit, etc. Then, all the messengers of God was well-behaved, how will they be followed by their followers if they were behaved badly. Nowadays a lot of scattered hadiths with the name of sahih hadith. I've explained in this forum about how to determine that it's an sahih hadith. Hadith which states that "he ordered his men to pieces his enemies eyes with hot nails", is strongly opposed to the hadiths of the following: "Actually I was sent to perfect the noble character." (Sahih Muslim) "Love the people as you love yourself." (Sahih Bukhari) "Whoever does not love his fellow man, he/she will not be loved by God." (Sahih Bukhari & Muslim). And much more. God's statement regarding the character of the Prophet Muhammad in the Quran include: Surah 68: 4, 33:21, 16: 127, 3: 159 etc. Regards, Asep Hi Asep Thank you for your explanations. Perhaps you are correct? Perhaps not? The fact is however, your explanations are not clear, they are complicated. Yet the Quran states that it is not complicated. The Quran is supposed to be clear! Surahs 11.1, 12.1, 27.1.41.3 and 57.9 state this. How can the clear and plain WORD of God be complicated? Looking closely at Soloman and the ants in Surah 27.18-19 if this is a miracle it is onlt that Soloman understands the speech of ants and animals. However it is a fact - ants and animals do not speak!. If they could I could believe it that Soloman could understand them. But ants and animals do not speak. So this story in the Quran is not a "miracle" it is just a childs fairy tale. Asep � is it impossible for the sun to sink into a muddy pond ! To say that stars are for throwing at the devils is just a fairy tale. Not even based on science. Ridiculous. Actually Asep, the account of Mohamad he ordered his men to pieces his enemies eyes with hot nails" cannot be strongly opposed to the hadiths of Sahih Bukhari because it is from Sahih Bukhari ! -Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234: ! Dear 2Acts, It is true that the Quran is not difficult to learn, through His Word in the Quran 54:17, but that makes you less obvious perhaps you only see the translation, if you understand the grammar of Arabic writing in the Quran, God willing, you will understand. Quran 39:9 �Say, "Are those who know equal to those who do not know?" Only they will remember [who are] people of understanding.� I don't mean that ants and animals can speech, but the Prophet Solomon could hear the conversation of ants, and it is one of those miracle of Solomon from his God. Miracles means something extraordinary which all beings do not have the power to make it because it is beyond their ability except Allah. Therefore, it can not be measured with science. Quran 17:85 �And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." Similarly, the miracles Jesus could raise the dead, it could not be measured with science. Nowadays a lot of scattered hadiths with the name of shahih hadith. I've explained in this forum about how to determine that it's an shahih hadith. Hadith which states that "he ordered his men to pieces his enemies eyes with hot nails", is strongly opposed to the hadiths of the following: "Actually I was sent to perfect the noble character." (Sahih Muslim) "Love the people as you love yourself." (Sahih Bukhari) "Whoever does not love his fellow man, he/she will not be loved by God." (Sahih Bukhari & Muslim). And much more. God's statement regarding the character of the Prophet Muhammad in the Quran include: Surah 68: 4, 33:21, 16: 127, 3: 159 etc. Regards, Asep Hi Asep I don�t believe you that the Quran is not difficult to learn. Most Muslims cannot even read or understand classical Arabic, so how can it not be difficult to learn. Most Muslims just memorise the Arabic Quran like parrots without even knowing what it means. Why would God only use Arabic for his Word? To only understand it in one language proves to me it cannot be the Word of God. How clumsy! I provided you with five expert translations. The translations are clear. I don not believe Soloman could hear the conversation of ants � because ants do not have conversation. Ants do not say � �lest Sulayman and his armies should crush you, while they perceive not.� Miracles are where God uses nature in a super natural way. Ants do not have conversations. So God could not provide a miracle for Soloman to understand ant language � because ant language does not exist. Actually the miracles of Jesus make more sense than the �miracles� in the Quran because they show God super naturally using nature. The Quran �miracles do not do this� you cannot compare Soloman and the ants with Jesus because people do die � so for Jesus to rasies them from the dead makes sense. However ants do not talk. So for Soloman to understand themdoes not make sense. Asep. The Hadith which states that "he ordered his men to pieces his enemies eyes with hot nails" is reliable Sahihhadith. It is Sahih Bukhari ! Also can you please tell me where in Sahih Bukhari it says �love people as yourself� I knowit says this in the Bible. Where is it in Sahih Bukhari ?

Dear 2Acts,

You said: �I don�t believe you that the Quran is not difficult to learn. Most Muslims cannot even read or understand classical Arabic, so how can it not be difficult to learn.�
Maybe you do not know that now a lot of muslims who memorized the Quran without having to look at the Quran.

Quran 54:17
�And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember, then is there any one who will remember?�

You said: �Most Muslims just memorise the Arabic Quran like parrots without even knowing what it means. Why would God only use Arabic for his Word? To only understand it in one language proves to me it cannot be the Word of God. How clumsy!�
Those who do not know the meaning of the Quran readings are those who don't have the desire to know, or the parents, the scholars and teachers of the Quran that do not instruct their students to learn about the meaning of Quran.

Quran 39:9
"Say: 'Are the same the people who know with the people who do not know?' Indeed, only those who in their right mind can accept this lesson."

Allah revealed the Quran in Arabic for the Prophet Muhammad because he was an Arab (as an authentic language of the Quran).
All languages in the world may translate it, but Allah maintains the authentic of Quran language that can't be permuted by the writings of human desire which would destroy the authenticity of His word.

Quran 15:9
�Verily, We, it is We who have sent down the Dhikr (the Quran) and surely, We will guard it.�

Quran 6:115
�And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.�

All the authentic language of the Quran is the same in this world, which can distinguish the meaning is just the translation into respective languages.

Miracles means something extraordinary which all beings don't have the power to make it because it is beyond their ability except God. Miracles can only given by God.

Sometimes some people who feel already know all natural phenomena which are a lot of mystery, although there are still many unknown by humans, not all of God's creation can be investigated by science, as an example about Roh (the spirit) is in every humans body, it'll never revealed. because human knowledge is limited.

Quran 17:85
�And they ask you concerning the Roh (the Spirit), Say:�The Roh (the Spirit) is one of the thing, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord.� And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.�

Such hadith is doubtful, why? because there are lots of Hadith circulating since the Prophet Muhammad died till now, this is only a slander directed against the Prophet Muhammad. They are many hadiths by using the name of Bukhari, etc.

Now experts of hadith are holding a full investigation of the hadith is because there are parties who want to create and disseminate the hadiths false, both from the Islamic community itself (hypocrites) or from non-Muslims who deliberately to destroy Islam.

Narrated by Imam Bukhari:
"Whoever the person is lying deliberately by the name of me, then they will be placed in hell".

Narrated by Imam Muslim:
"Who is it who preach about me (Prophet) hadith, while he knew the message was false (lie), then he/she is among those who lie."

However, it is not true if we reject all hadiths because there is Allah's command to follow the Prophet.

(Quran 3:31).
"Say:" If you really love Allah, follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful ".

Therefore, to avoid any doubts about a hadith, for me personally very easily by looking at the "Matan" (content) from a hadith, if such hadith is not contradict with the Quran, with the hadiths more powerful, with principles of the basic teachings of Islam, then that hadith is shahih.

Some of the differences between the Quran and the hadith, among others:

1. The Quran is the definitive truth value (absolute), while the hadith is dhanni that require substantiation and justification of the Quran.
2. All the verses in the Quran must be used as guidelines for life, while the hadith are not all.
3. The Quran is authentic in lafadz, composition and editor, while the hadiths are not all, etc.

The Hadith stating that "he ordered his men to pieces his enemies eyes with hot nails", it was said by someone, Bukhari didn't directly heard from the Prophet Muhammad, so such hadith is still doubtful because it would be contrary to the verses in the Quran below:

Quran 3:159
�And by the Mercy of Allah, you dealt with them gently. And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you, so pass over (their faults), and ask (Allah�s) Forgiveness for them, and consult them in affairs. Then when you have taken a decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).�

That verse was revealed related to prisoners of war who were not murdered by followers of Muhammad because he (Muhammad) received such revelation. Finally, they were ordered to return to their troops.

Quran 21:107
�And We have sent you (Muhammad) not but as a mercy for the �Alamin (mankind, jin, and all that exists)�.

Narrated by Bukhari from Aisha r.a. (Muhammad's wife) in the book Al Jami'us Shahih:
"It is the character of the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam as the contents of the words in the Quran".

Narrated by Bukhari from Abdullah bin 'Amr bin al-'As in the book "al-Kina" and "al-Adab al-Mufrad".
"People are loving will be loved by the Most Merciful Tabaraka wata'ala. Love them are in the earth, then They who are in the sky will love you."

"Love all the creatures in the earth, undoubtedly who are in heavens will love you".
(Shahih hadith, narrated by ath-Thabrani in al-Mu�jam al-Kabir, Shahiihul jaami� no. 896).

Peace be with you.

Regards,
Asep

Jesus said, "I and my father are one.. If you have seen me you have seen the father... No one comes to the father except through me... I am the way, the truth and the life" He didn't say I show the way for now; He said he is the Way meaning now and forever.
God calls Jesus God and angels were commanded to worship Him, Heb. 1 Jesus calls God His father.

Jesus didn't say I am God worship me, but when people worshipped Him, He didn't stop them. Think about that.
We must all come to our conclusions who Jesus is to us, but that decision makes the difference of salvation or not!
As for me, I personally believe Jesus is all that God is but not all there is to God. God is a mystery to say the least.

Edited by Saved - 28 December 2016 at 7:20am

Thank you for explaining the Muslim position Asep.
Blessings and Peace.