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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mouhssine4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 4:28pm

mister jazz

you wrote a lot of things

you could go one question to an other, the world will not end tomorrow

anyhow, from what i could understand and notice

you used the word "see" a lot, you see this you see that etc

that is all right, as human we do a lot of Remarques and seeing

but as humans we are only limited in our seeing, i mean we see left right up and down

we see  past and present future to some extent

what i want to say we are limited to 4 dimensions, but God (Allah in Arabic) is limitless which means to be able to understand his way of seeing and doing things you should be able to see in n dimensions (n is an unlimited number), of course human can not do that. so for you to explain the way Allah sees things or do things is just impossible unless he (Allah) allows it, and i think that in the next life, we will be able to see in that n dimension and we will be able to see how Allah sits on the throne, and how he does it and all the unseen things that you are asking about, but it will be too late for the unbeleivers is nt it

until then, use your 4 dimensions capability to see if really God exist or not, look at yourself, things around you.

i have always been amazed at the muscle of the heart

all other muscle of our body need to be exited by a flux to be able to react, except the muscle of the heart, it start beating by itself, who do you think gave it that flux, of course God the Creator

this is only an example, and there are many that we should not over look

and to finish, please do read this

With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).  (Chapter #6, Verse #59)

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 10:54pm

you used the word "see" a lot, you see this you see that etc

Brilliant post brother, he used that word for the sheer desire of being able to see. Akhi el aziz, please let him be. Like so many other Amreekis, he is just trying to "find" himself.



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No offense Whisper but can you lay off of the "Americans" statements talking about ones nationality is really inappropriate and not the conduct of a Muslim brother..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2005 at 2:13am

Brother Israfil I respect your point but why be so sensitive about it? I am a simple straighforward Afghan, as long as US troops are on my soil, I chose to keep my present attitude to the American.

My brother is what I say worse than leaving DU-238 all over the place?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mouhssine4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2005 at 4:05am

brother wisper

nobody can feel what you feel

but israfil is right, an american does not really mean a member of the US gov

may Allah liberate your country of invadors

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andalus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2005 at 4:26pm

Greetings.

The problem with your contribution is that it argues about Gd who is "all powerful", but then concludes that He cannot be "All Powerful" due to a constraint that would only be a constraint to something that is not "all powerful". You cannot have it both ways. Either you define Gd as all powerful and continue an argument from that point, or you talk about another gd who is not all powerful such that you can demonstrate all of the "physical constraints" that all the rest of us are bound by which is of the class of all created things.

 

 

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The Logic of Allah's Existence

I've debated many Muslims on the net (in chats, via email, on usenet), and I've also debated with a few Muslims in person (at my local university, at the work place).

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Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

you used the word "see" a lot, you see this you see that etc

Brilliant post brother, he used that word for the sheer desire of being able to see. Akhi el aziz, please let him be. Like so many other Amreekis, he is just trying to "find" himself.

Assalam Aleikum.

I am an "Amreeki". I found myself in my search for Gd, and now I am Muslim. The first step to enlightenment is asking the right question. "America" is still my home, as it is to my family and many others who also "found themselves" and are now Muslim.

Jazakallahu kair 

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I am an "Amreeki".

My friend, Amreeki is not a nationality or the act of being in some place, it's just a certain state of mind. When this dream "never ending war" collapses, you would possibly be able to understand what is that state of mind.

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