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Angel
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Angela, may I ask where you get your idea that Rami and Whisper said it is okay to kill americans ? It seems in contradiction in what I know about them.
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Angela
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Can you get off your egomaniacal horse and understand this thread IS NOT ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This thread is in response to a different topic that you have nothing to do with. This thread is in response to those here on the site that say it is okay to kill Americans (Rami, Whisper, and others) While trying to say Islam is a religion of peace. Ubiety, go see a doctor, you need help. |
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ubiety
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I will continue to show you patience, despite the fact you cannot remove the stereotypical notion of violence from your thoughts when you address me. The sword of truth in the context we are discussing (Matthew 10:34) is a hypothetical term, that is used as a preposition for expressing the effect the spiritual truth/message has on a person�s spiritual well-being (ie it will create variance within them if they do not embrace it), and has nothing to do any physical act. I thought you would have know that been a Christian yourself. Please tell me where I have ever called anyone to arms? |
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Angela
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Actually, I started this thread not because of you. I started this thread because of the "Wipe Israel off the Map" forum that was posted recently. Truth cannot be spread with a sword. Contentions are not always violent. Contentions can be what we are doing. Debating and learning. Jesus taught us to have compassion, to love our fellow man and to strive for a better world. He did not teach us to kill, maim and murder in the name of God. He didn't say we had to be poor in wealth, but he did ask us to be rich in faith. Rather than striving for riches and ignoring the poor, we should help our fellow man. This is the purpose of Tithing. Or in the case of Muslims, Zakat. We also should not intentionally provoke another into anger. This is counter productive and only succeeds in creating hard feelings and further conflict. Rather, with respect, love and charity. We can more readily make the world a little better. It is not my words or my money that helped my husband's best friend stop smoking. It was watching me stop smoking and turn to God that made him want to become a better person. I think the only time I remember Jesus getting violent was when he threw the money changers our of the Temple. The rest of the time he spent healing and preaching. He set the world upside down. Conflict was only inevitable. He had to warn them that the road was not easy, but he did not call them to arms. |
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ubiety
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Dear Angela, OK, so you have taken adversely to me because I have created some variance within you (partly due to my quoting the below passages), however you do not perceive what I am trying to explain to you and that I am trying to help, hence you kinda ruthlessly try and destroy me��. What�s new!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________ With regards to Love�.. Narrated 'Abd Allah bin Hisham: 'We were with the Prophet (SAW) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab (RA). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (SAW)! You are dearer to me than everything except my own-self." Allah's Messenger (SAW) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) until I am dearer to you than your own-self." Then 'Umar (RAA) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my own-self." He (SAW) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)." The Gospel - Matthew 10:34 Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 10:35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: 10:36 And a man's foes' shall be they of his own household. 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Now there is something � Two Prophet�s agreeing with each other! However I am more interested if you get it? ________________________________________________________ So now I am going to create some more variance within you, but I do it out of love, and not spite as you have done to me�.. Firstly, I agree Iesa {SAW} came to bring peace, as I agree Muhammad {SAW} came to bring peace, however I am of the opinion that peace can only be achieved if the leaders are ruling according to Islamic law, and that includes avoiding excess not only in the religion, but in worldly terms also (ie excessive hoarding of wealth by a few, leads to the poverty of many). When Iesa {SAW} came with the Message of Prophethood for the time, he created a great amount of variance within the (corrupt) leaders/tyrants (and those following them). He did not bring them peace for they were so incensed by his message they tried to kill him (Islam), or they did kill him (Christianity). It seems you have brought an ultra conservative view that originates from the very same corrupt tyrants (only of the current times), they are preaching a message concentrating on the fact that Iesa {SAW} conquered the flesh and the life of this world, so that they can say to those they have kept in poverty and oppression � look your Prophet lived with nothing and was content, so must you be! So yeah, Iesa {SAW} came to bring peace, but he knew that could only be achieved if people accepted the Message of God, hence he did not merely say to the poor and oppressed, accept your leadership under any circumstances, what�s up with you - they are allowed to treat you like that!� NO, he challenged the corrupt with the SWORD of TRUTH, and put them at variance son against father, daughter against mother (and mother in law). I am striving for peace, however you only see me as someone who has made you feel uneasy, because I have dared to challenge you. If I get treated badly by people because I try to bring about a change for the better (which is needed because the current system failed before I ever emerged), then so be it, I KNOW I am striving for peace, not moving away from equality! Edited by ubiety |
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amlhabibi2000
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Alaikoam Salam All the parts mentioned are key in solving the issues of ending, Poverty, violence, ignorance and apathy. In those developing Nations you have the indigenous peoples hurting, harming and killing each other as well as a number of them denying their own people safe passage and freedom of expression and the freedom to go about the daily buisness of life. If the people can stop sabatoging their own people and be more respectful and responsible then more development will enter their countries. They have to want positive change and work on it as a Family and respect boundaries, and open lines of communication and community dialoge to develop community infra structure that will empower their people. Crying oh the world does not do anything for us is a falacy as Billions are poured into those countries now but the money is pilfered by the greedy. I do agree that there is work to be done however the people themselves must and need to be part of the positive change not just wait for handouts. There is hope and it begins with everyone! Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Deus
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You've spoken much, but conveyed little to me. Please bear with me... Can you explain the 5 parts you outlined more concisely? You keep mentioning positive changes, but what do you exactly mean by positive changes? The world faces more serious problems than the shortage of spiritual guidance and councelling that you mention. What about poverty in developing countries? What about fighting diseases in Africa? Aren't those more serious than "getting excellent and positive guidance in solveing [sic] our personal challenges"? Edited by Deus |
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amlhabibi2000
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Alaikoam Salam The Best Kind of W.A.R.S.= World Arising Responsibly and Spiritually This means that we work on ourselves ie our own personal Jihad (Jihad means struggle the first and most important level is the struggle with self to be the Best Person we can be.) The Second portion of this Arising Responsible and Spiritual is getting excellent and positive guidance in solveing our personal challenges and the challenges with Family that give respect to all partied involved. The Third Part is participating in positive change and the evolution of Life and Islam and accept our portion or role in this change within ourselves, others and the world. The Fourth Part is is living an active healthy life style and staying healthy as anything less has a great impact on the environment, our spirit, our spiritual economy and our Spiritual Environments. The Fifth Part is developing Respect for Ourselves, others and the world and nurturing a healthy quest for imformation and knowldege so we may understand and appreciate the gift of Our Lives and the Lives of Others and the Precious Gift of the Life of this World. Inshallah we are currently involved in a Great Sorting Out of People into Groups, ie Counseling, Education, Consultation, Prayer, Living Prayer and Hajj, Pilgrimage made to all levels of Our Lives, Our Families, Communities and Nation and World and in this process we will learn what we have done wrong and what we have done right and where we go from here Inshallah. May we all be Peaceful, Respectful and Caring in this Important Process. Salam Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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