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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thomas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 October 2005 at 8:47am

Firewall: thanks for your comments [Oct 3] ! Good to hear from you again. Here are some comments from me -- very belatedly, but never too late I think ! [ I was very busy with other matters these past 2 weeks.]

 

No, of course you have not at all offended me! Perhaps you have noticed that I try to put my comments in an academic perspective, rather than on an emotional one [ , which I believe leads to nowhere.] With an academic color, there is less risk for emotional offenses.

 

Your comments are just what I anticipated! Only what is still not clear to me is what parts of the Bible does the Qur'an recognises. What about the Trinity concept?

 

Thanks and best wishes.

 

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Hello again,

1]  I 'm a bit surprised that in your postings there is no quote of any Qur'anic verses whatever. I take it that the source  on Dajjal was merely based on the hadiths?

Thats how I see it, yes.


2] Dajjal was/is/will be ? also something as a human being, with a short body, crooked legs, twisted hair and one eye ?

He will be, in future.(Did u actually read that long article I posted?Or r u merelly cross checking?).Crooked leg one eye etec etc r the discription of Dajjal we gt from hadiths.


And what is meant by "Jannat" and "Jahanam" exactly?


Jannat=Heven, Paradise
Jahannam=Hell.(in Arabic or Urdu language).

3] Is this Dajjal a monster with extraordinary powers, such as reviving people from the dead -- posing as these people, and also as animals: a camel, and causing dry spells, etc ?


Yep, and he will have power that shall make him look like he is god, and he will claim to be one, to befool peoples.


4] And Dajjal will come at the end of days, preceded by those famines,quakes and fire ?

 

Yeah.These r all signs of end of days.


5] And Dajjal is also the Anti-Christ ? And a "system" ? And members of the Freemasons? And quoting you " ..... all Jews, Christians, Secularists, the Munafiqeen shall fall under the banner of the anti-Christ, against Islam."  ? Well, well my dear friend, isn't this a bit too radical?   Does the Qur'an says so ? Frankly I cannot imagine it.


"Anti-Christ" is a term made by people only.Dunno why.Prophet(pbuh) called him DAJJAL which means EVIL.
System?Freemasons?Whats that??Sorry, didnt gt u.
Yeah ur rite, bit too radical, but not really impossible.Say, if tommorow some superman comes, perform strange feats, miracles, in this age of science, and claim he is God, threatens with his 'Jahannam', what r people gonna do?I think, if the muslim r were not warned about this Dajjal, they themself would have converted against his magic.
I dunno if the Quran says about all this; cant say for certain.


7] Why is Dajjal called the "Anti-Christ" ? Is it mentioned in the Qur'an?


Dunno.Maybe cauze Christ(PBUH) is going to kill him?Cauze he will be against him.


8]  It seems that from your quotation above Jesus is considered as representing the "Good" against Dajjal the "Evil". But, what about "Iblis", the "devil" which mentioned in the Qur'an -- if I'm not mistaken? And who is more evil ?


Yep, u might be right.And who is more evil-ha, for one thing Dajjal hasnt come yet.For another, I dont know of any scale which measures an 'evilness' of a person.


Since the Dajjal "monster-evil" is based on the hadith, what weight does it have vis-a-v-s the Qur'an itself?


Ah, now thats a good question.As a matter of fact, I meself am confused.Here is one ray I can grasp:
Quran hints that Jesus(PBUH) will return.These Hadiths speaks about Jesus(PBUH) returning.Apart from that, it also speaks about some signs and Dajjal.These signs, some of them have already been fulfilled, and many are being fulfilled at a fast pace.
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com
This site discusses all the signs fulfilled in great details.Now since one of the signs is Dajjal, who knows that will also be fulfilled soon.

I will reply soon to other comments, watch out!

Regards, Dayem.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote *fresh* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2005 at 8:44am

Dear Thomas,

I have not read the entirety of this thread only your initial prose, as I did not wish to be influenced by the discussion which henceforth flowed.



A question to you is why One Prophet would not have sufficed?

Is our Lord not so kind as to send a message in tongue to help the blind?


Is He not the Fore-Knowing of the guidance needed for the time?






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2005 at 10:00am
HEY I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thomas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 November 2005 at 9:52pm

Hi everybosy,

Sorry for my 3 weeks absence. I got deeply involved in my business, and then my computer broke down due heavu thunder, adn not yet repaired because the shops are all still closed because of the long Idul Fitri holidays.

Well, there is no significant activity in this forum.It is suspect, because all the fundamental issues of the Qu'ran are already being extensively debated in the other forums.

Anyway, I remain convinced that this is the appropriate forum to discuss the fundamental substances of the Qu'ran.

Welcome Fresh ! If you want to orientate yourself better just read the very first of my posting. But, commenting on your questions:

Well it is not for me to say why one Prophet is not enough !! You have to ask God for that question. You, and I, just have tp face the facts that God has has sent to mankind many prophets. But, what is your problem exactly with your question?

As for the messages for the blind :I think we can solve that problem by assisting the blind with whatever way, and device, to get the messages from God. No problem that I think.

Sure God is the Foreknowing of guidance to mankind, and not only for the time being, but since time ever.

To Dayeem : My friend I think you still have to respond to my comments. And mind you, to obtain a meaningful discussion, don't forget that it mus be 2-way discussion ! Not only one way !

All the best to you all.

Tom.-

 

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 November 2005 at 9:58pm
I got bored sorry.I get pain in my finger typing all these long responses.Ohk, I will see to it, inshaallah.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DeExupery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 November 2005 at 1:13am

Dear Thomas, Dayeem, and Faith,

This thread is really interesting, and I read so many things new. I will not comment for now, since I myself need to study.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DeVilmorin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2005 at 8:23am
I think I will do the same thing like DeExupery...
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