The ANTI Christ

sufi_observer wrote: the Ahaadith are collections of sayings of the Prophet salallahu alaihi wassalam, stories about his experiences, and descriptions of his daily life. The Sunnah is a way of life derived from the Ahaadith based upon the sayings and example of the Prophet salallahu alaihi wassalam. There are ahaadith that do not directly pertain to the Sunnah but serve more as historical records.

This is assuming the ahadith are correct, and this assumption usually comes forth because of ones trust in his religious scholar who teaches him these ahadith collections. Because with most ahadith there is no proof of them being true or not except the words of another claiming them to be true, it is like people saying Jesus is The begotten Son of Allah, they have no proof for this except the words of another claiming it to be true. Not to say all ahadith are not true, but there is a basis of doubt when we have to trust people who speak about other people living many years ago and who urge that those who told them where righteous people who are worthy of trust. Especially when looking at the history and how righteous muslimeen like the family of the prophet got killed and persecuted i conclude there is a high chance that rulers put up a religious esteblishment with all the consequences of lies and deceptions coming out of this.

On the more, why did people write the ahadith down while the prophet specifically told them to burn them when he heard they were being written down? writing them down is disobediance to the prophet no matter what stories they might have on who wrote them down and legalized it and why he forbade them to be written down. The ahadith were ment as oral narrations told from one person to another and this chain would remain with what is useful to the people and appliabale to their specific society and time. As Allah says in the koran Thus doth Allah put forth(hit) the truth and the falsehood. As for the scum disappears(dries up); while that which is useful to mankind remains on the earth. Thus doth Allah set forth parables. 

Writing the ahadith down has resulted in much injustice through people using them, and because people cling to books as a justification for their actions and their scholars who idolize these books and their writers, they disappear with violence caused by their injustice. Had they obeyed the prophet and not started writing his supposed words down the damage would have been limited to the unjust listening to other unjust and eventually getting destroyed. But now the injustice of those who were destroyed before can keep popping up by these books being used.

Can one reject a hadith if it is concerning the shariah if this person considers it unjust?

Anzala mina assamai maan fasalat awdiyatun biqadariha fahtamala assaylu zabadan rabiyan wamimma yooqidoona AAalayhi fee annari ibtighaa hilyatin aw mataAAin zabadun mithluhu kathalika yadribu Allahu alhaqqa walbatila faamma azzabadu fayathhabu jufaan waamma ma yanfaAAu annasa fayamkuthu fee alardi kathalika yadribu Allahu alamthal

He made water come down from the sky, and channels flow each according to it's measure, the torrent then bears the foam that mounts up to the surface. And, from that (ore) which they heat in the fire desiring ornaments or utensils there is a scum likewise. Thus doth Allah put forth(hit) the truth and the falsehood. As for the scum disappears(dries up); while that which is useful to mankind remains on the earth. Thus doth Allah set forth parables.

Really reflect on this wonder(ayat) from Allah, it is from chapter 13:17 Ar'rad, thunder or lightning. Reflect.
in Arabic it is much clearer.

I know you can not agree with me for some reason Ahmadjoya, wether this is because of your tradition or what but i should not react like that so i will re-react,"

""Now this is what I call it "faith" based beleif either you say all or not all; simply because, I think, there is no other way to bring the "proof" of authentication of verbal sayings of Prophet Mohammad other than the evidences by those who heard it and written it down or transmitted to others orally and then written down. In any case, all such documents are scrutinized on the basis of "Ilam ul hadith" (Science of hadith) or call it "science of higher criticism". So your statement is self contradictory, if you don't trust this science of haidth, as you don't have any other way of authenticating it other than faith. Isn't it?"

Stoning is not mentioned in the koran, not once and still we find this very severe punishment for adultery in the shariah for those who uphold the koran(muslimeen) What happened to higher criticism here? are we there yet? that is all i am saying because i do not feel re writing my whole post again, it's useless because you actually test the koran according to the words of scholars and their methodology and ahadith and not the other way around.

Is it acceptable to you that people can put the words of men over the words of Allah in judging?