Who is Jesus?

gospelmap wrote: Jesus is called The sinless one (surah 19:19), The anointed one (Al masiha) , the word of God (kalimatullah) and the spirit of God (Ruhuallah) (Surah 4:171;surah 3:45 ; surah 5:109)

My bro gospelmap, probably you missed out what Jesus himself has called for himself, and i.e. the servant of God  and the Prophet of God[19:30]. Here is the fully text from three translators.

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YUSUFALI: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
PICKTHAL: He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
SHAKIR: He said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet;

The word in 19:19 is "zakiiya," which means "pure" or "purified." It is also used to describe the youth in 18:74, where there is clearly no implication of sinlessness. This argument is invalid.

AhmadJoyia wrote: gospelmap wrote: Jesus is called The sinless one (surah 19:19), The anointed one (Al masiha) , the word of God (kalimatullah) and the spirit of God (Ruhuallah) (Surah 4:171;surah 3:45 ; surah 5:109) My bro gospelmap, probably you missed out what Jesus himself has called for himself, and i.e. the servant of God  and the Prophet of God[19:30]. Here is the fully text from three translators. 019.030 YUSUFALI: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; PICKTHAL: He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, SHAKIR: He said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet;

Dear friend ahmad

I am sure we are not quarelling about a christian and muslim debate but searching for the truth as we all are pilgrims in this world seeking to know God.we are trying to maximise our thoughts to know who is God through the revelations granted to us.so being a co-partners in knowing God and his revelations we have to arrive at a point were we unite with God's will and light.so that we can walk in the light.

No one denies that Jesus christ is the prophet and also as servant of God.The bible tells that Jesus had two nature when he was on earth-the human and divine.hence in his human nature he was prophet,slave,servant etc.being in his human nature he prayed,wept,was in pain,worshipped the father etc. but in his divine nature he is indeed ruhualla and kalimatulla.There are many other verses that I gave with the titles above that is in quran. But looking at some of the verses in quran and bible itself Jesus christ does not seems or appears to me only a prophet.It goes beyond his prophethood to his divinity.The bible affirms that Jesus was a prophet too ,but it goes further to tell he is divine too just as we see in the titles given in quran.the titles carries a deep meaning which are not explaind in detail in the quran wereas the bible gives the full expression that to be sinless (pure,faultless,holy),Al masiha, word of God and spirit of God is not just prophethood but requires divinity . this titles was reserved only for Jesus in the quran and the bible.no other prophet or messenger has that title and neither they claimed themselves to be.

 Without questioning the authenticity of Bible books themselves, for the time being, I simply ask you to put forward your evidence from the Bible (NT or OT) where this duality of Jesus is clearly described by Jesus himself or from his 12 diciples and not from the understanding of some others. Isn't this a fair question, if all our faith is based upon this concept?

Thanks for the quick response. Due to space and readability limit I will answer this first question and then move on to later.I appreaciate what you said  that to know about Jesus, we need to look at what Jesus told about himself  to his disciples and then what the disciples wrote what they heard from  him and also what the old testament says about the messiah.you are right in saying that we cannot rely upon the contents apart from these sources. in our discussions we are free to disagree and ask pointed questions and refrences.

Considering that jesus came 2000 years ago and after his ascension into heaven around 33-34 Ad ,its imperative for us to look into the sources- 1.That are aviliable closer to that period.2.From the eye witnesses and people of the first century since they were the closest to that events and hence can give us what actually took place.hence more logically plausible and reliable (hence will also be accepted in the court of justice). hence if today after many centuries, If I suddenly come up with the idea other than what was written by the eye witnesses, then it will  be logically incorrect and rejected even if I claim that this has been revealed by God to me through supernatural means and visions.since many people can make such claims apart from me  in any century. For example if after many centuries I come up saying God has reavaled to me that Jesus christ was nothing but a clown and actor who worked in a circus then then I will be demanded the evidences and I cannot Just say that God has reveald to me, since thats not an evidence but a mere allegation.hence my source must be into the records of people who actually were present in the first century either themselves or with people who were eye witnesses. therefore my source to talk about Jesus christ is the records or document or dairy  (a modern term) of his followers and their associates of the first century which is called the new testament.

The new testament is written by the followers of Jesus christ of what they saw ,heard,learnt,memorised from Jesus and then wrote it down after the ascension of Jesus christ to heaven.

Also it should be noted highly that the context of Jesus is Jewish and  happenings are in israel and not western or asian or arabic.hence we also need to note what the traditional jews understood by terms that were used for God.For example :the word " I AM" or alpha and omega was supposed to be used only by God and if anyone uses it other than God then the person speaking is actually blashpheming as per the jewish faith because he/she is  claiming to be God.

Jesus own claims about being divine as recorded by his followers and some reaction by the  jews:

1.Jesus said �The Father and I are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him�because that you, being a man, makes thyself God. (John 10:31-33)

2."Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:18)

3.Jesus said anyone who has seen me has seen (God) the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? (John 14:9)

4. Jesus said "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it, and was glad". And, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM. At this, they picked up stones to stone him. (John. 8:56-59 )

(Note : the actual Greek words 'ego eimi', translated (I AM). When Jesus used the "I AM" construction he was speaking in the style of deity which was only used by God."

5.^{ Jesus said} I am the first(al-Awwal) and the last(al-Akhir), ,^and the ^living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have ^the keys of death and of Hell," (Rev. 1:17-18).

These are but few direct verses in the bible that showed Jesus claimed to be divine also looking at the reactions that generated from jesus claim shows they understood that jesus christ was claiming to be the divine son of God.there was no need for them to react such a way IF he was merely claiming to be a prophet or a man or child of God.

Now the writings of the apostles of christ. again there are many but I will quote few.

 1.Phil. 2:5-8, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed as God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a crosson than the Father

2."For in christ all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,"(Col 2:9)

3.And Thomas answered and said unto Jesus, My LORD and my God. Here Jesus did not correct Thomas by saying � I am not God � or he could have said �I am a mere prophet� but he actually accepted his worship and his confession as both lord and God. (John 20:28)