Christianity Vs Judaism

Unfortunately Sir you are true and now they are after the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Iran is also on their target. Almost 40% of the most influential posts in US Admnistration are held by Zionist Jews. The famous book of Mr. Paul Findly "They Dare to Speak Out" an ex-American congressmen is sufficient to open the eyes of all of us.

Shams Zaman Pakistan.  

Shams Zaman wrote: This is to reply all who have been generous to offer comments on the topic. I had initially said we live in the world of logic and rationale but didn�t offer all the scientific logics because the document would have been too lengthy. As few readers have correctly pointed out. However I would justify as follow. FOR MUSLIM BROTHERS As for what Bible (Old Testament) says about Human life, my exact calculations may have gone wrong. However, these were based as follow: From Adam to Noah = 1056 years, Noah age 950 years, Noah to Abraham = 381 years and Ishaq was born once Abraham was 100. From Jacob to Exodus it counts to   730 years. (Genesis- Ch,5 verse1-32, Ch11, verse10-32, Ch21, verse6, Ch47, verse 28, Ch50, verse 26 and Exodus- Ch 12, verse 37-41). Therefore this total comes to 3117 years (lets round it to 3500). For the period after the exodus covered in Old or New Testament I have not read that. From here I count on history. Jesus came approx 1500 years after Moses so it totals up to 5000 years. Add another 2000 years it comes to 7000 years. But as to why I would assume that Human Life span is not older than 15000 years, because Quran and Hadith (according to my reading) does not offer any estimates. However, some Muslim scholars who have offered Quranic explanations estimate it to be as such. Well it can�t be claimed for sure.

Wow! what a case presentation. On one side you are providing a scientific evidence and on the other side you say your calculations (based on unauthentic references) are not sure, but then you conclude  that you based your opinion on your calculations. Where is the logic to reach your conclusion? I am amazed. BTW before opening a book, it is always important to look at its author as who says what. Have you confirmed the authorship of the OT that you are quoting from? Kindly let me know if you have. Thanks  

Shams Zaman wrote:  As to what Mr. Ahmed Joya has objected to the Juedo-Christian myths, sorry there is nothing to cheer as my source remains to be Quran, Sunnah and the Companions of Prophet (mpbuh) Sahabbah.

Ma Sha Allah! so, it is indeed a matter of cheers that you say that you have chosen the right references; Isn't it?

Shams Zaman wrote: Jinns inhabitation:   Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah bin Umer (RA), �2000 years before the birth of Adam Jinns were the inhabitants on earth but due to their bloodshed and fitna (anarchy), Allah sent angels who killed most of them while some took refuge on remote islands and forests.� Quoted by Hazrat Abu Jafar from Ibn-a- Ibe Hatem (RA) written in �The Narrations of Prophets� (Qasas-ul-Anbiya) by Hafiz Imam Ibn-a-Kaseer.  Also narrated by Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas (RA) real uncle of the Prophet (mpuh) in the same book.

I would comment on this as one must ascertain that the only true source regarding matters not related to this world are through Allah and his messanger (Prophet Mohammad). Big respect for shahaba, but they are not qualified at their own (without quoting it from Prophet Mohammad) to say anything about things which are beyond human mind or logic. They can't be primary source of such information. So, brother kindly let me know which hadith is it that relates this story. So, till that time the reference you provided may remain unvalid. BTW kindly verify if Hazrat Abbas was the real uncle or his son  (Hazrat Ibn-e- Abbas) was his real uncle?

Shams Zaman wrote: Allah Provided Satan with Full Opportunity.   Narrated in Sahih Muslim and also compiled in Maskaat Volume 3 Chapter Creation of Adam, Hadith no 5457, Hazrat Anas(RA) narrated that, Holy Prophet said, �Once Allah created Adam�s body, He left it in the heaven without casting his sprit for a time of which He knows. Lucifer started circling around to see as what it is? On looking inside, he discovered it to be unsound.�

I was glad to see a hadith reference in your quote, but am saddly disappointed not find it on my search in the Sahih Muslim. Kindly let me know what is the reference from sahih muslim himself. Following is the link for the collection of Sahih Muslim that I used to search on the internet and couldn't find it. If you can help me find it from it, I shall highly appreciate.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim /

Shams Zaman wrote: And why the world is about to see its end, not only Quran and Ahadiths clearly foretells it but science also points to the same very direction. The global warming, green house effects, the on going conflicts and threat of nuclear war and melting of ice at the poles, water crisis and diminishing energy reserves etc are the indicators. Holy Prophet had warned that once war over gold (oil/ Black gold) will start the emergence of Anti-Christ or Dajjal will be imminent. There are numerous sites which can give you information regarding major and minor signs of Doomsday. Like: www.wakeupmuslims.com

I thought you are going to present some "logic ( that you initially claimed and then reiterated in this quote as well)" to use to support your opinon that you stated. Mere conjectures ...., well there is nothing new in them. Of course we believe on the day of judgement, but we also believe that no body knows except Allah and Allah alone. So it would be naive to say the earth is about to complete its life merely through conjectures. Prophet did foretell us about some of the indications before the final day of judgement, but never ever hinted upon how much time would elapse between them to the last day. Anyone guessing on them would only be a heresy. May Allah guide us all. Amen. Cheers.

Daniel Dworsky wrote: Rehmat The talmud is so NOT holier than the bible. The protocols of the elders of Zion is bunk ....

Wrong on both accounts

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament) � From �The Truth about Talmud, by Dr. Alan R. Critchley

Genocide Advocated by Talmud

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].

Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").

Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

Regarding 'The Protocols' - read my earlier post.

Daniel Dworsky wrote: Calling Ginzberg and Kahane Jews is like calling Goebles and Eichman Christians and Osama Ben Laden a Muslim......

Living in self-denial Iznogoodh.

Both Goebles and Eichman were Catholics. Former was a practicing Catholic while the later was a confessed Zionist.

Both Ginzber and Kahane were born Jewish. Both were terrorist and murderers. Kahane was the founder of the most facist Jewish organization in the US - JDL and his grave in Israel is always surrounded by his Jewish settler-supporters and worshippers.

Mybe you should check with your Rabbi to confirmed that 'once a born Jew - is always a Jew even if become an atheist'.

Osama bin Laden is born into a Muslim family. He is considered a 'hero' by tens of million Mulsms and non-Muslims all over the world for his courage to defy the US and Israel -and not as an Islamic scholar.