The ANTI Christ

Alaikoam Salam

Brother

I am not saying all laws need revision just some though revision may mean saying the same Message but in a new formate.

As for being trained to be a Prophet neither was Mohammed PBUH, Jesus, Moses or any of the Prophets it is not like you can go to a scholl LOL to become a Prophet technical old style, though the new style of Prophets sure everyone can recieve training, education, counseling, consultation to become a wonderful Messenger for Allah and non of us is exempt.

That is why I have been working at calling everyone to the table for a Great Sorting Out Debriefing session (S) to see where we have errored, where we need guidance, education and training and where we can recieve this education, counseling and consultation in the best formate for each of us to comprehend and understand and easily impliment in our daily lives as well as where we on our own journey to Peace may assist others on thier journey as well.

I have covered much of the idea in other threads so I will not repeat it further unless requested to do so though you can look for the web page the Renewal of Islam and a Call to an Inter Faith Education, Counseling and Consultation Jihad.

Everybody though Moses was radical, everyone thought Jesus was radical and everyone thought Mohammed PBUH was radical.

So in my call to this Inter Faith Education, Counseling and Consultation Jihad or Great Sorting Out of Mankind into Debreifing Groups for Resolutions I am asking everyone to grasp they too are voice for Allah and the well being of one must be the well being of all not just some.

I am not suggestioning anyone start a New Religion at all what I am suggesting is everyone consider how they want to express their spiritual selves and life and does this method or process empower them and others to be there best and if not then seek out community agencies such as churches or Mosques and redfine how they want to practice their Faith.

This does not always mean that a person has to adhere completely to any one religion or spiritual path for they may choose to combine a number of them that best suits them and their family circumstances.

Also should anyone choose to adhere to a formal religion completely this is their freedom as well no one is here to say what is right for them only that here are some practices, prayers, guidance that may assist you on your journey.

Leave the rest up to them and leave room for improvements in the Spiritual path of their choice so that the Faith may grow abundantly.

That is why brother I say we are the hidden Imam, the Medhi because one can never know all Mankind there for we are the Hidden One.

These are just my ponderings your welcome to take or leave them as you will.

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

Dear Brothers and Sisters! As-Salam-o-Alikum!

Well the discussion seems to be shifting from the topic. But let me say few things very candidly. Sister Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi may be a very good human being but she is not at all a Muslim. A MUSLIM by definition is not a symbol but one who submits himself to ALLAH, to his instructions/orders and follows a certain set of beliefs/principles. So merely by saying that I am a muslim I won�t become a one. Similarly one, who doesn�t believe in God, can not be termed as a man of a religion but an atheist. Similarly once sister Habibi questions the authority and correctness of Quran she seizes to be a MUSLIM. In fact she comes to the tribe of one who denies the truth (meaning Kufar). Unfortunately, the word is usually used as in a negative tone I am using in its literal sense Kafir the one who purposely denies the truth. Moreover she is totally confused, in one post she suggests something and in the other she denies it. She wants re-interpretation of all those laws which doesn�t suits her. Islam is to change oneself according to will of Allah and not try to change God according to own whims.   

There are more than 6 billion people living in this world so who would decide what is right and what is wrong as human reason is always prone to miscalculation and misjudgement. And if we follow the idea of sister Habibi then we would be having at least 6 million different set of principles (if not 6 billion) and all groups claiming to be right. Like I may say that drinking/smoking in public is fine, or Gay marriage is my right or I may insist on driving on the left hand drive while others may insist on right hand. I may say that the murderer should not be given the capital punishment while the other group would disagree with that. So to achieve a homogeneous socity there has to be a divine order.

I had already asked the respected lady that if �MANKIND IS VOICE OF GOD� then why there is so much of disparity and the one who is using abusive language is also speaking on the behalf of God?? And if not then who is to decide that what is from God and what is from his/her whims?

The principles of humanity, communities, individuals etc which are being so much stressed upon by you are already given in Quran and Hadith. Only what you have to do is to find a little time and read them. If you read the Quran with sincerity INSHALLAH you will be guided to the truth.     

Dear Brother Ahmed Joya!

I am not trying to say that you should conform to my way of thinking, but just presenting as to why I think this way. If it sounds convincing its fine even if it doesn�t its still fine.

First of all this is a fact that whenever the Prophet had intended or performed anything against the Will of Allah he was immediately corrected. At least this happened 7-8 times (according to my knowledge).

First once there was difference of opinion after the Battle of Badar, as to how should be the prisoners of war should be dealt with? And the decision was taken to make them prisoners against the will of Allah. (Narrated in Sura 8, verses 67-70), �67. It is not appropriate for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. 68. Were it not for an ordinance from Allah that had already gone forth, surely there would have befallen you a great chastisement for what you had taken to. 69. Eat then of the lawful and good (things) which you have acquired in war, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 70. O Prophet! Say to those of the captives who are in your hands: If Allah knows anything good in your hearts, He will give to you better than that which has been taken away from you and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.�

Second once Hazrat Abdullah-bin-Maktoom (RA) who was blind, came to Prophet and interrupted him while he was talking to non-believers and so Prophet snubbed him, Prophet was immediately corrected (narrated in Sura 80, verses 1- 11) �1. He frowned and turned (his) back, 2. Because there came to him a blind man. 3. And what would make you know that he would purify himself, 4. Or become reminded so that the reminder should profit him? 5. As for him who considers himself free from need (of you), 6. To him do you address yourself. 7. And no blame is on you if he would not purify himself. 8. And as to him who comes to you striving hard, 9. And he fears, 10. From him will you divert yourself. 11. Nay! surely it is an admonishment.�

Thirdly, after returning from Battle of Tabuk once Prophet, on insistence of  (Hypocrites) Munafiqeens was likely to offer prayers in Mosque Zarar, (narrated in Sura 9, verses 107-109) �107 And those who built a mosque to cause harm and spread unbelief to cause disunity among the believers and make it an outpost for those who had earlier made war against Allah and His Apostle; and they will certainly swear: We did not desire aught but good; and Allah bears witness that they are most surely liars. 108. Never stand in it; certainly a mosque founded on piety from the very first day is more deserving that you should stand in it; in it are men who love that they should be purified; and Allah loves those who purify themselves.�

Fourthly, once Prophet swore in front of his wife that from this day onwards honey is HARAM (illegal) for him and Allah forbid him, (narrated in Sura 66, verses 1-3), �1. O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 2. Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise.�

Fifth once Prophet desired that Allah should send down some miracle to satisfy the demands of Jews who were insisting on a miracle like of other Prophets, (narrated in Sura 6, verses 33-37) �...�...35. And if their aversion is hard on you (O Muhammad), then if you can seek an opening to go beneath into the earth or climb a ladder to ascend up to heaven so that you should bring them a sign (miracle) and if Allah had willed He would certainly have gathered them all on guidance (by force), therefore be not of the ignorant.........�

Sixth once Prophet offered prayers of forgiveness (Nimaz-e-Janaza) of Abdullah-bin-Ubbi (famous hypocrite) on insistence of his son who was a devout Muslim, (narrated in Sura 9, verses 80-84), �80. Ask forgiveness for them or do not ask forgiveness for

them; even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them; this is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle, and Allah does not guide the transgressing people�.... 84. And never offer prayer for any one of them who dies and do not stand by his grave; surely they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle and they shall die in transgression.�

Seventh once Prophet repeatedly prayed for the forgiveness of Uncle Abu-Talib, (narrated in Sura 9, verse113-114) �113. It is not appropriate for the Prophet and those who believe that they should ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they are their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are inmates of the flaming fire�..� (Also narrated in Bukhari and Muslim).

So let us not forget that Prophet is always and directly under the supervision and guidance of Allah and whenever his is bound to go wrong he is corrected immediately. This is also narrated in the following verses:  

(Ch 22, verse-52), �And We did not send before you any apostle or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.� 

(Sura 4, verses 65-67), �But no! by your Lord! they are not believers (in reality) until

they make you a judge of that which has become a matter of dispute/disagreement among them, and then do not find any strain in their hearts as to what you have decided and submit with entire submission. 66. And if We had prescribed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your homes, they would not have done it except for a few of them; and if they had done what they were admonished, it would have certainly been better for them and best in strengthening (them); 67. And then We would certainly have given them from Ourselves a great reward. 68. And We would certainly have guided them to the right path�.

(Sura 3, verse-161), �And it is not possible for a prophet that he should act unfaithfully; and he who acts unfaithfully shall bring that in respect of which he has acted unfaithfully on the day of resurrection; then shall every soul be paid back fully what it has earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.� There is no equivalent of the arabic word �Yaghulla� which means to convey something or to do something wrongly against the will of God. The nearest is unfaithfully.

(Sura 8, verse-17), �So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.�

(Sura  59, verse-7), � Whatever Allah has restored to His Apostle from the people of the towns, it is for Allah and for the Apostle, and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, so that it may not be a thing taken by turns among the rich of you, and whatever the Apostle gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is severe in retribution.�

(Sura 53, verses 1-5), �1. Swearing by the star when it goes down. 2. Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray; 3. Nor does he speak out of desire. 4. It is naught but revelation that is revealed, 5. The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him.�

(Sura 69, verses 43-48), �43. It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. 44. And if he (Muhammad) had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, 45. We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, 46. Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. 47. And not one of you could have withheld Us from him. 48. And most surely it is a reminder for those who guard (against evil).�

Secondly, what about the punishment of thief? Quran says that �Whether man or women, both the hands of a thief should be chopped off, this is the reward for their earnings and an exemplary punishment for them from Allah, and indeed Allah is mighty the most wise� (Sura Maida-5, verse 38). By this principle we are suppose to chop both the hands of a thief. But Hadith specifies that the punishment of chopping the hand is to be given once the value of theft items exceeds 10 Dirhams (in those times) now its equal to approx 180 dollars. Moreover, it is not to be given on the theft of food items (vegetables, fruit and wheat), to a person who is needy had nothing to eat for 3 days. This means Hadith is also wrong here too and by your formula everyone�s hands should be cut whether needy, poor or a petty thief.

 Shams Zaman  Pakistan