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I'm not Muslim, but even I found these cartoons offense.

I have seen them.  Not only are they idiotic, they are also poorly drawn.   I think I know political satire when I see it.  This stuff wasn't political satire.

The problem I have with these "cartoons" is that they are a form of hate propaganda promoting negative religious based stereotypes.  Putting them on the front pages of prominent European newspapers was poor editorial judgement.

The way I see it hate propaganda may be offensive, but its non-violent.  The violent reactions directed at people who are guilty of nothing more than being Danish, Norwegian...etc is pretty disgraceful.

If people have a problem with these "cartoons", a reasonable  reaction should have been measured and non-violent, not unrestrained angry mob violence against innocent people.  Mob violence only serves to perpetuate the same negative Muslim stereotypes depicted in cartoons. 

So yes the cartoons were a disgrace, but the reaction was even more disgraceful.

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

dont kid your selfs new muslims cant possibly understand what born muslims are going through it is in our very being, you are in a state between cultures and dont fully comprahend the depth of these insults.

yet you wish to speek for us, yes violence is wrong but unless you love the prophet mohamed (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) more than your own selves your faith is lacking, this is the prophets own words.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, (pbuh) says in (Young India):


"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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bismillah irrahman irrahim

assalamu alaikum

well brother israfil all i can do is pray for u that Allah swt blesses u wiv love of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) bcos without it imaan is not complete,

n i would want every1 who wants us to react in so called civilized way should read the sirah that how sahaba (ra) reacted to ppl who were even slightely bad toned to our dear prophet (im sayin this for muslims, no offense but non-muslims cant even have a slight clue of what v feelin n how should we feel). I mean com'n every1 who reads Holy Quran should know that sahaba (ra) were being told by our dear lord to lower their voices infront of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw). 'VOICES' n now we want to think how we react when the whole idea of islam is being ridiculed.

but then again end of the day depends on what we want from life, i mean for sahaba (ra) all they wanted was nearness to their lord n they knew that following beloved of our dear lord n loving him more than ownself is the key,

Allah swt says in Holy Quran 'Then (there will be) the Companions of the Right Hand;- What will be the Companions of the Right Hand? And the Companions of the Left Hand,- what will be the Companions of the Left Hand? And those Foremost (in Faith) will be Foremost (in the Hereafter). These will be those Nearest to God: In Gardens of Bliss: A number of people from those of old. And a few from those of later times. (56: 8-14)

I always used to think bout these ayaat that for us muslims of later years it will b hard to b among the foremost bcos there will b more competition for places sort of thing but we are not even worthy of that place, what i mean is that one of the sahaba broke his own teeth finding out that Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) lost his in the battle but then again their goal was high, they knew this world is not worth even a wing of fly to our lord, I sincerely hope n pray to Allah swt that we wake up from this bcos the way we are we r neither for this world nor for akhira

wassalam



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As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Auzo Billahe Minash-Shaitanir-Rajim

All I understand by all this is that the Shaitan and his army of evil mischief makers have once again succeeded in sowing discord, to which the Muslims reacted calmly by only boycotting products and ended by the burning of embassies. The end result the victims have now become the aggressors.

Personally I think an apology at this stage is too late. It would only have being a sincere apology it was done at the first instant and all the rest was avoided. The damage is already done. The Haters of Peace have won once again.

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala curse the evil mischief makers. Ameen!

�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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These "cartoons" were published in Europe by ignorant and racist non-believers. What the Editors of these newpapers did was disrepectful. But these people aren't Muslim and they don't live in a Muslim country.

Certainly Muslims can't expect everyone in the world including non-believers in secular nations to strictly adhere to the code of Islam. Would it be reasonable for devout Christians to expect Muslims who know nothing about Christianity to behave as Christians?

That attitude would be a recipe for world war.

Its a big world and plenty of room exists for all religions to coexist peacefully and tolerate each other.

Certainly Islam deserves respect and I agree that these newspapers were disrespectful, but their non-violent offenses come from ignorance and racist attitudes.

This was an opportunity lost for Muslims to show the world they are moral, peaceful and tolerant. Now these same ignorant people can point to the reaction of Muslims to justify their racist beliefs.

Plans by Iran to publish anti-Semitic holocaust cartoons in the name of free expression are now likely to start a cartoon war.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FCE073DD-7F1B-4714-95 F0-DD1F354F1D9A.htm

I supppose that's preferable to violence. But its not likely to promote world peace.
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earth-as-one, I agree with you. These people are not muslims nor do they really care about muslims at all. The Danish people are even quite discriminatory towards thier own muslim population. And furthermore many Europeans and westerners have little regard for God and thier own prophets such as Jesus and Moses so why would they care for ours. If people are angry they should boycott and tell thier governments to stop trade with the offending countries. Burning buildings and rioting only makes us look like lunatics that can't control our emotions, which as a Muslim controlling your emotional reaction is very important. Money is what really matters to the west, so use your buying power. And antisemitic holocaust cartoons on the part of Iran would only show how distasteful the Iranians can be too, it would prove nothing. Stupidity does not call for stupidity on our parts!!!!!
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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A little sanity in an insane world.  A boycott is an appropriate response.  If you really want to hit the offenders, I would suggest boycotting anyone who advertises in the offending newspapers.  Putting the newspapers out of business would be a just and measured response.

I would also like to quote the sentiments of someone in another mostly American forum:

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I will say this to those "offended" by this nonsense:

If you are secure in your beliefs, why be so upset? Some are saying that the muslim world doesn't do these things, but I question that. Say what you will about Israel, THE COUNTRY, but when leaders of ME countries question the holocaust and make fun of jews IS THAT NOT the same thing?

When they tolerate the rantings of extremists who kill Christians in retaliation for AMERICA, THE COUNTRY attacking Iraq, well, is that not the same thing?

The street is allowing itself to be manipulated by those folks with agendas. Fine, be upset! But don't resort to violence one minute and then tell me that Islam is the religion of peace the next time.

I am the most tolerant guy I know. ALl of you know how I felt about the invasion of Iraq (i would hope). I STILL think it's wrong and will say it to my death. BUT this nonsense where radicals in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, et al are exhorting harm to others is just stupid.

Who's humiliating who here? To me, the folks crying the loudest are humiliating their religion more than any cartoon ever can.

Keep it up folks, the rest of the world that isn't Muslim is watching very closely.

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That wasn't me, but I share the man's sentiments.

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