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Alwardah
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Posted: 10 February 2006 at 5:11am |
As Salamu Alaikum
Double Standard � the Magic words.
Personally I think, we maybe missing something here.
This pictures were printed some time in Sept, why the big uproar now. Deliberate and well planned and it is connected with Iran's nuclear issue, I think.
Just as the invasion of Iraq was well planned, so is this. Only Muslims countries do not have the right possess nuclear arms to defend themselves. No one mentions Israel's nuclear facilities. Americans and Israelis are killing Muslims every day and no one blinks.
This issue with Denmark was well planned so that now that Iran's nuclear issue is in the headlines, we need to be told that Muslims are irresponsible, terrorist and have no right to defend themselves.
Iraq and Afghanistan are already occupied, very soon both Iran and Syria will be occupied, the wealthy Muslim countries are already puppets to Big Daddy and the others don't count.
May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala bring all Muslims back on to the Path of The Qur'an and Sunnah. Ameen!
Wa Alaikum Salam
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Posted: 10 February 2006 at 9:00pm |
Alwardah wrote:
Personally I think, we maybe missing something here.
This pictures were printed some time in Sept, why the big uproar now. |
Exactly, my sentiments also
Here is something:
Creating Outrage
Confused by the wave of protests, threats, boycotts, and attacks against diplomatic facilities that have shaken their idyllic tranquility after the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed on Jyllands-Posten, the Danes are asking themselves questions. They wonder if an attack will take place in their country, as threatened by various jihadi groups, and if freedom of speech is in jeopardy. But a more immediate question is puzzling some: Why has the outrage of the Muslim world exploded only now, in February, when the cartoons were published last September? At the time of the initial publication, international media had reported news of the blasphemous caricatures, not only in Danish, but also in English. Yet nothing happened, aside from timid protests from the Muslim community of the tiny Scandinavian kingdom. So what is different about the situation now? More than the question, it is the answer that is keeping a good chunk of Denmark's political and cultural elite awake at night. The recent anti-Danish emotional wave coming from the Muslim world, in fact, is far from a spontaneous reaction, but it has been cunningly orchestrated by a knowledgeable insider, a real snake in the grass who has been creeping in Denmark for the last 15 years.
Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian imam who has been residing in Copenhagen since 1993, has become over the last few years the face of Islam in Denmark, creating his own persona of a moderate cleric who seeks dialogue but who is victimized by the widespread "racism" of the Danes. Despite his poor command of the Danish language, Abu Laban is a frequent guest on Danish television and in meetings with government officials, where he claims to represent the voice of the local Muslim community. Even though part of the establishment has always looked at him with suspicion (Prime Minister Rasmussen has always refused to meet with him), Danish intelligentsia has made him a celebrity � so much of one that even the Washington Post recently profiled him as "one of Denmark's most prominent imams."
But Abu Laban's real face has now been revealed. In September, the imam immediately condemned Jyllands-Posten's cartoons and led protests at the local level. Danish politicians and media, busy with local elections, ignored him. But Abu Laban is not the kind of person who gives up easily. After having contacted ambassadors from Muslim countries in Copenhagen, he put together a delegation with the goal of touring the Middle East to "internationalize this issue so that the Danish government would realize that the cartoons were not only insulting to Muslims in Denmark but also to Muslims worldwide," as he explained in an interview with "Islam Online". The delegation met with, among others, Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam's most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. The delegation showed each of these leaders the 12 cartoons published by Jyllands-Posten, along with others that had never been published by any Danish publication. The new cartoons were every more offensive, as showing the Prophet Mohammed with a pig face or having sexual intercourse with a dog. While the delegation claimed that the differentiation was pointed out to their interlocutors, there is no other evidence, and rumors about the more blasphemous images began to circulate in the Middle East. Moreover, the booklet that was presented by the delegation contained several other lies about the "oppression" of Muslims in Denmark, claiming Muslims do not have the legal right to build mosques and are subjected to pervasive racism.
With emotions about the cartoons mounting, Qaradawi, the real brains of the Muslim Brotherhood's international network and a key opinion maker in the Middle East thanks to his weekly show on al Jazeera, attacked Denmark directly, warning that an apology would not be sufficient, and that "a firm stance" should have be taken by the Danish government. As Prime Minister Rasmussen refused to intervene, referring to the cherished tradition of freedom of the press in his country, Qaradawi and his ilk unleashed their propagandistic war against Denmark. Abu Laban, from his mosque in the Copenhagen suburb of N�rrebro, is now happily reaping the fruits of his hard work. But, in a quintessential exercise in taqiya (double-speak), Abu Laban has tried to hide his satisfaction to the Danes. Speaking on Danish television, Abu Laban has wept crocodile tears, condemning the boycott of Danish goods and the other consequences of his actions. Yet, interviewed by al Jazeera, the imam has said just the opposite, praising the outrage of the Muslim world at his adoptive country.
So just who is Abu Laban? The Danes are slowly getting a fuller portrait. Friday night, Danish state television DR broadcasted a long report on him and Danes have begun to understand more about the self-proclaimed voice of Islam in Denmark. According to DR, Intelligence documents reveal that Abu Laban has been in close contact for years with members of various terrorist organizations, and in particular with leaders of the Egyptian Gamaa Islamiya. In the beginning of the 1990s, in fact, several leaders of the Gamaa escaped the long arm of the Egyptian mukhabarat and relocated to Europe. Copenhagen became the new hometown of two of the group's leaders, Ayman al Zawahiri, currently serving as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, and Talaat Fouad Qassimy. >From the quiet of the Scandinavian capital, the men published Al Murabitoun, the Gamaa's official publication. Abu Laban worked as a translator and distributor of the publication, which glorified the killing of Western tourists in Egypt and urged the annihilation of Jews in Palestine. Then Abu Laban worked closely with Said Mansour, a Moroccan man currently charged in Denmark for running a publishing house that distributed jihadi material.
All of this is not news to Danish security officials, but now Danes are slowly becoming aware of the facts. And Abu Laban's celebrated celeb status is about history in Denmark. Danes have no more patience for those who preach love in one language and war in another, those who publicly play the role of the victim, demand tolerance and then secretly incite hatred. While much of Europe has been asleep at the wheel, oblivious to the monumental threat radical Islam poses to its future, at least one country is increasing awake. Denmark's first battle is domestic, unmasking the enemy's fifth column inside its borders. As embassies burn, the rest might want to catch on, too.
� Lorenzo Vidino is a senior terrorism analyst at the Investigative Project and author of the book Al Qaeda in Europe: The New Battleground of International Jihad.
http://nationalreview.com/comment/vidino200602060735.asp
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Posted: 10 February 2006 at 11:16pm |
this morning a
professor gives a great analogy. A is abusing B. in great pain, B
is screaming from the torture. then C came in. does he tells A to stop
the abuse to maintain peace, or simply tell B to shut up.
muslims are being abused. and we must grin & bear it, apparently.
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Posted: 11 February 2006 at 11:31am |
Interesting article Angel,
My heart tells me all this fuss is about giving America the green light to go after Iran.
Some members say it is not right to boycott Danish goods because we are hurting innocent people. I agree, but sanctions were placed on Iraq for so many years and everyone thought it was okay. Why? Aren't Muslims part of the human race? Why the double standard?
Someone laid a trap once again and the Muslims fell into it, this is how I see it. But, then again, on the other hand I don't really understand politics. This is a very confused housewife's opinion.
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Posted: 11 February 2006 at 12:14pm |
Alwardah wrote:
say it is not right to boycott Danish goods because we are hurting innocent people. I agree, but sanctions were placed on Iraq for so many years and everyone thought it was okay. Why? Aren't Muslims part of the human race? Why the double standard?
Someone laid a trap once again and the Muslims fell into it, this is how I see it. But, then again, on the other hand I don't really understand politics. This is a very confused housewife's opinion.
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mmmm oil for food. It might have had something to do with Iraq invading Kuwait. The sanctions were administered by the United Nations not the US as away to get Sadam to retreat. Later extended to the WOMD because there was a possibility that Sadam could and would would have use them... while now womd have pretty much been squashed the fact that it was a possibility in the first place should be taken into account. Anyone remember the arms war between Russia and the west? In the end it turned out Russia was bluffing and were bankrupt.. but they had us thinking they would hit the button.
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Posted: 11 February 2006 at 1:04pm |
Perhaps the Oil for Food program is not the best example, even though many innocents suffered and died. But the defiance of countires against U.N. Sanctions and illegal occupations by countries who get Sanctioned by the U.N. and then completely ignore them, well that's a different double-standard story all together...
I think the double standard towards Muslims and Islam comes into play everyday. Every time a media outlet says Islamist or Islamic Fundamentalist every single Muslim in the world is labeled as a terrorist. I remember watching CNN during the London bombings at a time when there were a number of other bombings around the world. The anchor labeled all of the bombings in countries that were predominantly Muslim, even though they weren't yet sure who did them, Islamist Terrorists. On this same day there was also a bombing in Spain by the Basques, but the anchor called this bombing a political act by the Basque Separatist Movement. All in the same story.
Now, I wonder what made the Basques different? Wasn't their bombing an act of terror? Why weren't they labeled Roman Catholic Terrorists as most of them are Roman Catholic? Why weren't they labeled terrorists at all? The Muslims certainly were. And everytime this happens it hurts billions of innocent Muslims around the world. Everytime it happens it hurts billions of innocent Muslims around the world.
Yet we shouldn't boycott Danish cheese because it might put some innocent people out of work. What about all of the innocent Muslims who have lost their jobs, been religiously profiled by governments, lost their homes, lost their dignity, lost their ability to walk down the street without being harassed or stared at with hostility? I didn't bomb anyone or anything. I've never intentionally hurt anyone in my life, nor taken part in any act of violence. Who's concerned about me? Who's standing up for me?
Me, me, me, it's all about me? Seriously though, who marches for the Muslims if we don't march for ourselves?
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Posted: 11 February 2006 at 9:29pm |
A Caricature of Freedom M.J. Akbar, [email protected] |
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Sequence and consequence do not always follow the same logic: The publication of the gratuitously offensive cartoons against the Prophet of Islam (you can translate that, literally, to the Prophet of Peace for Islam means peace) has already resonated through contemporary events. It will also echo far into the future. Any single day�s newspaper was sufficient to indicate that simmering resentment against the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan, for instance, found a reason to escalate into anger. There are too many questions around this conscious provocation by an irresponsible Danish newspaper, fueled by a less than comprehensible Danish government, and not enough answers.
The first question must surely be the simplest one: Why? More than one answer has been offered. One editor of the paper appeared on European television and said, so primly that he was on the verge of sounding pompous, that the cartoons were not meant to hurt Muslims but only to represent, through an image, that a number of Muslims had become terrorists. This is the sort of argument that sounds reasonable to a neutral mind until you pare open the first layer of deception. If that was the purpose, why not use an image of Osama Bin Laden? Why use the image of the Prophet, which by itself is offensive to a faith that rejects, very strongly, any iconography or deification? We have published cartoons on Osama fairly regularly in our papers without anyone raising any objection.
This is buttressed by the �freedom of press� argument, a view endorsed so strongly by the media of continental Europe (but not, repeat not, by British media) that sensible publications like Le Monde have reprinted the cartoons twice.
Far be it for me to decry press freedom. It is my bread and butter. But I have yet to come across a nation or society that offers freedom of expression without the qualification of libel or similar safeguards. One of our editors asked the Danish Embassy in Delhi to let us know if they had any libel laws. They promised to get back to us. We are still waiting. But text is not difficult to find in the age of Internet. I quote from Section 266B of the Danish penal code: �Any person who publicly or with the intention of dissemination to a wide circle of people makes a statement or imparts other information threatening, insulting or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, color, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation, shall be liable to a fine, simple detention or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.� Section 140 adds, �Those who publicly mock or insult the doctrines or worship of any religious community that is legal in this country, will be punished by a fine or incarceration for up to four months.�
This is as civilized as it gets. The reason for such legislation is not a history of abuse against Islam, but a history of virulent anti-Semitism, for which Europe holds some kind of pernicious record. I warmly applaud such laws that protect Jews from verbal and image-barbarism. There are laws in Europe by which anyone denying the Holocaust can end up in jail, and a poor British historian is in an Austrian jail at the moment for doing so. Excellent. Then why is Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen pleading helplessness? He did not have to convict anyone himself, for the very good reason that he cannot. But he could have easily referred the matter to his own country�s judiciary and awaited their decision. During the long months when nothing happened over the cartoons this would have been sufficient to calm Muslim unease over the insults. The cartoons appeared on Sept. 30. There was no public reaction in October, November, December and most of January. But there was official reaction. The Saudi and Libyan governments withdrew their ambassadors. The Danish prime minister, who is desperate for a peaceful dialogue now, held no press conferences then. Eleven ambassadors of Muslim countries wanted to talk to him. They got a polite letter that they construed as a snub.
One reason for the anger is the conviction of gratuitous bias against Muslims. It has now emerged, thanks to a story in the Guardian, that the same Danish newspaper rejected a series of cartoons against Jesus some three years ago because they were deemed to be offensive.
It was the correct decision. Journalists like the editor of the German publication Die Welt, who has gone on record to say that the publication of the cartoons is �at the core of our culture� would not find enough freedom in his press to publish a cartoon (produced in a British newspaper, the Independent, in January 2003) showing Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon dining off Palestinian babies. I am a journalist too, and would not publish it either. But the editors of continental Europe have suddenly broken into paroxysms of moral indignation at any attempt to question their right to publish offensive cartoons against Islam. Freedom of press was not trotted out to defend nastiness against Jesus or indeed Israel�s prime minister. To do so now is mendacity.
The International Herald Tribune of Feb. 9 reported that Fleming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten (the Danish newspaper that started the controversy) told CNN that his paper was ready to publish cartoons of the Holocaust that were being encouraged by an irresponsible Iranian newspaper, as if two wrongs added up to a right. His newspaper, however, quickly denied any such intentions.
I was in Britain last weekend when this storm was raging. I don�t think that British newspapers have any less desire for a free press than their Continental counterparts. And yet, none of them published the cartoons, although there was doubtless pressure to do so. The BBC (more accurately known as the British Boredcasting Corporation) did a typical weaselly sort of fudge, showing a bit and then removing the image so that it could claim to have it both ways, but no one was very impressed.
Instead, newspapers from across the ideological spectrum, from the Observer on the left to the Sunday Telegraph on the right, published powerful and moving accounts of what it meant to respect the faith of the other. The British media, which is not wimpish and which can be the most aggressive in the world, can today claim the respect of Muslims because of its restraint. British Muslims today feel closer to their country.
Hindus and Muslims have lived with one another as long as Muslims and Christians have. You can go through the literature, popular songs or journalism of India and you will not come across a Hindu writer insulting the Prophet of Islam or a Muslim writer insulting a Hindu deity. This does not mean that either has changed his faith. It merely means that in India we have a culture that respects the right of another to believe in a different creed, and values a neighbor�s sentiment as much as his own.
The Danish prime minister began to perspire only when Muslims across the world started to boycott Danish products. His object of worship is commerce, so the only retribution he understands is an insult to that commerce.
Muslims who think that violence is the answer, have got it wrong. Violence is wrong in itself, and counterproductive. A boycott of Danish products is far more productive.
Who did we Indians learn this from? Mahatma Gandhi, of course. His challenge to the British Empire began with a boycott of British goods. It is only when he made a bonfire of the colonizer�s cloth did the world�s mightiest empire begin to shiver. It is not too difficult to live without Danish cheese, or even Bang and Olufsen. One would, in fact, like to extend the logic. If you have to buy a European product, buy British. That would be a nice way of saying thank you.
The Danish prime minister is searching for answers. But in order to get the right answers you have to ask the right questions. Here is a suggestion, Mr. Prime Minister. Do not worry about the enemies Denmark has made. Worry instead about the friends Denmark has lost. |
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=77 662&d=12&m=2&y=2006
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Posted: 11 February 2006 at 9:33pm |
Salam,
Quote: "Who did we Indians learn this from? Mahatma Gandhi, of course. His challenge to the British Empire began with a boycott of British goods. It is only when he made a bonfire of the colonizer�s cloth did the world�s mightiest empire begin to shiver. It is not too difficult to live without Danish cheese, or even Bang and Olufsen. One would, in fact, like to extend the logic. If you have to buy a European product, buy British. That would be a nice way of saying thank you".
Very useful indeed as far as the need of the hour is concerned.
Peace
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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