Offensive Cartoon

peacemaker wrote: ops154: Is that the only thing from what I posted that you are willing to talk about? Nothing about the actual violence? I was actually pointing to your flawed statement made without due research as to what Islam stands for. Read my posts and many other posts that do not condone violence. Does all  this make headline anyway so the world could see? By the way, none of more than 1.5 billion Muslims on this planet will ever mock at Jesus ( peace be upon him ) as you complain. You have no proof. If ever you have a proof, let me know that. Peace

Still no one  can talk about anything other than cartoons of Jesus or Mahommad? Is that all Muslims care about, cartoons? I didn't start off by trying to defame anyone, I'm just trying to find answers. I thought muslims were supposed to educate the un-educated about Islam. Am I wrong? I'm trying to learn about your thinking and why it's so offesive to see Muhommad with a bomb on his head but not a terrorists with a bomb on his belt in the name of Muhommad? Let me say it now, although I have seen cartoons on the website I gave it doesn't have them there now so I can't show proof. My bad, how about we discuss beheadings, murders, suicide bombs or do you need proof of that too? I'm sure I can find it somewhere.

All I want to do is get some understanding here but if you all are only going to talk about the cartoons and nothing else then I guess it's pointless. I hope no one takes what I have posted as an insult as that is not what I'm trying to do. Can anyone at least answer what Mahommad would do in this situation (cartoons)? Would he even care or would he say something alone the lines of "Do not kill those who have drawn these but try to educate what my true word is"

firewall3 wrote: ketchup is a self-admitting racist. so i guess, that's expected. i don't want to dissapoint myself, to give him/her higher expectations.

I never said I was racist, what I said was that I come from what was up until aprox 20 years ago a predominantly white country and one of our major trades was slavery.. if that makes me racist then so be it.  Personally I don't care if someone is black, pink, green or, red.  What I do care about is the erosion of our culture because multicilturism clearly isnt working.

As for the news article regarding the arab press, someone asked for proof, I googled and that was top of the list.

ops154, it's offensive because, while real terrorists do wear bombs (some even use high-tech fighter plans, with illegal white phosphorus bombs), BUT Muhammad (PBUH) never wear, strive or link himself with anything as such. the Prophet denounced terrorism, Islam is not a terrorist religion, and muslims are not suicide bomebrs. it's a grave libel to depict the Prophet of Islam & the Islamic religion as such, because it's simply not true. people have depicted Osama as a terrorist, Saddam even, or his henchmen, muslims will pass it.  but when you slander the Prophet of Islam, the messenger of God which recited the Quran to muslims, it's a grave injury for every muslim, whatever sects we might be. we muslims have openly condemn terrorism. we fight it even before 911. but westerners have a pre-occupation that we feeds it. we don't. when you get pass your bubble, and understand the Islamic religion denounces terrorism, maybe you can see how affected we are when others kept blaming us for something we did no wrong. again, Muhammad (PBUH) denounced terrorism, and never played a part in it. to have our Prophet gravely slandered unfairly, all muslims have the right to defend him, as he is innocent of all the insults. the Islamic religion, is free of all teh insutls. may God show truth, amen.

I think the point ops is trying to make is that although muslims condem terrorism there is very little evidence of it.  The muslim community is secretive and no one will deny that they keep themselves to themselves.. so from the outside it does appear that there is nothing happening.  Ops does make a good point though, yes you condem violence and terrorism yet you aren't vocal enough about it.  Instead on screaming in the streets about cartoons so the whole world can see... how about screaming on the streets in outrage over how terrorism blighting islam so the middle east can see.  If you all united as one then maybe mountains can be moved... all we see is you all uniting in anger against us.

firewall3 wrote: it's not our voice not vocal. it's your media that has been silencing our voice. when your media drops their biased attitude towards presenting muslims, then maybe you can hear us.

Then make yourselves heard.. it recently took the rantings of a guy stirring religious hatred to get you guys on the street... my initial stance stands, if you really cared you would have already been on the streets defending yourselves against those that are using your name for malicious means.. you haven't so what kind of message is that sending out to the rest of the world?