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Constructive to whom?  In the West we see images of rioting Muslims, in the Arab world they see images of bloody bombed Iraqi children and Palestinians' homes being razed to the ground. Who's right, who's wrong?

What most of us Westerners are missing is that it's not just the caricatures that have caused this level of anger. It is just the last insult in a loooooooooooooooooooooong history of insult and injury.

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firewall nice response and may Allah give you peace and infinite mercy Ameen
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Ops154: When someone goes into a convenience store in your neighborhood and guns down the clerk working there, do YOU go on the evening news and apologise for the killer's actions? Do you personally apologise to everyone in the state where you live who has been a victim of crime? If a Baptist goes out and rapes a child, are all Baptists confronted by the media and forced to explain why and say sorry?

Of course not, yet for some convoluted reason all Americans and Europeans believe that it is every Muslims responsibility to apologise continuously for the actions of a few. This is not expected of any other group, race, religion, or country, so why then do you expect it of Muslims?

Muslims have condemned every act of terrorism, every act of violence, and done so publicly over and over again. Yet it is still not enough. It will never be enough because you don't want it to be.

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Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

Originally posted by ops154 ops154 wrote:

We Americans know that our mainstream media is biased, it's all about what sells but the fact remains that we can and do get information from places other than the TV. Most muslim countries have state run media, which no muslim ever questions yet you question our FREE press. Free press means they can wright almost anything they want to. Hense free press. We as readers have the choice to not read the crap they are putting out. I don't watch my daily dose of Fox news or any other tv news program for that matter (maybe just the local news and weather). When it comes to national or international stories I go to the internet where i can get both sides of the argument and I can find the truth usually between the two extreme sides. Neither side gives you all the facts.  Many muslim nations (and others) don't have that choice, they listen to what the religous icons and government officials tell them too and that is the only information they get. I can admit that American tv does spin a lot of stories but it's still some of the most open in the world.

I guess you are assuming that no Muslim has access to the internet or satellite television? Bush has banned Al Jazeera from airing on conventioanl television in the U.S.  Is that open and free?

It may come as a surprise to many, but Muslims can make up their own minds about things. In fact, many islamic leaders have spoken out against the rioting and violence, but that's not good fodder for the headlines.

 

No station has been banned by bush, if so please show proof. The reason we don't get it here is not many Americans speak arabic so until they start to translate it we have no need for Al Jazeera. I have seen and heard the leaders on our news stations say just that, YET no one seems to of listened in the muslim nations. Has anyone thought that since it was printed in a Egyptian paper and no one said anything and the fact that it took 3 months before anyone seemed to have a problem with it is possibly caused by your own governments in the middle east. Maybe they would rather keep you mad at the US (which some are blaming yet we are not the ones who printed it)instead of looking at home to find the problem. I'll admit that my government has done a lot of bad things in it's time and I wish some of it could be taken back but it can't. What we can do is move forward, stop blaming everyone else for our problems and look to the future. Just like with Palastine and Israel, both blame each side yet no one looks at themselves and says "well maybe I should just stop". Now both sides are to the point were it may never become stable over there because both sides refuse to listen to the others point. Just like it may sound with me that I'm blaming the muslims for everything but actually I'm trying to admit that America is not perfect, never has been and never will be I would just like to see some muslims accepting their part in the problems.

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I'm an American and live in Texas. I'm not in the Middle East and I know exactly what is and isn't shown on television here.
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Quote I never said I was racist, what I said was that I come from what was up until aprox 20 years ago a predominantly white country and one of our major trades was slavery.. if that makes me racist then so be it.  Personally I don't care if someone is black, pink, green or, red.  What I do care about is the erosion of our culture because multicilturism clearly isnt working.

Ketsup clearly 20 years ago (although you did approximate) there was no slavery, it was outlawed long before that but I understand what you were trying to convey. As the other sister has mentioned you are aclearly a racist. Any one who says "Clearly multiculturalism isn't working" and also saying after that "The erosion of OUR culture" is not only ethnocentric but RACIST!

Taken out of context as I was refering to a previous post.. the original post was were i come from what was once a predominately white society where slavery was once a major industry.. the other sister knew what I meant.. I didnt mean 20 years ago i meant once...

Multiculturism isnt working, if it was we would be living side by side happy and content in beautiful harmony.. if I am wrong then let me know.  Are the protests my imagination?  Were the banners in the original london marches a figment of my imagination?   To say I am racist because I don't think multiculturalism is working is wrong!  It isn't working and you know it.. if it is then please explain to me were I am wrong.  If you mean because I dont agree with you then I am racist then that is an entirely different issue. 

"OUR" culture covers every British citizen, how can that be racist?  you are either British or you are not.  When I think of Britian I use the word "MY" because it is MY country just as every other patriot thinks "MY" and "OUR"... Whats wrong with that???   I love Britain!  Yes I am proud!

 

 

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Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

Ops154: When someone goes into a convenience store in your neighborhood and guns down the clerk working there, do YOU go on the evening news and apologise for the killer's actions? Do you personally apologise to everyone in the state where you live who has been a victim of crime? If a Baptist goes out and rapes a child, are all Baptists confronted by the media and forced to explain why and say sorry?

Of course not, yet for some convoluted reason all Americans and Europeans believe that it is every Muslims responsibility to apologise continuously for the actions of a few. This is not expected of any other group, race, religion, or country, so why then do you expect it of Muslims?

Muslims have condemned every act of terrorism, every act of violence, and done so publicly over and over again. Yet it is still not enough. It will never be enough because you don't want it to be.

 

By your very quote are you implying that muslims aren't a united front?

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U.S. Forces Want Al-Jazeera Out Of Fallujah

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By Mustafa Abdel-Halim, IOL Correspondent

CAIRO, April 9 (IslamOnline.net) - The United States asked al-Jazeera team to leave Fallujah as one of conditions for reaching a settlement to the bloody stand-off in the besieged western Baghdad town Friday, April 9.

"American forces declared al-Jazeera must leave before any progress is made to settle the Fallujah stand-off," al-Jazeera director general Wadah Khanfar told IslamOnline.net, citing sources close to the Iraqi Governing Council.

Khanfar, the former Baghdad bureau chairman of the station, declined to speculate on reasons for putting al-Jazeera departure as "part of solving the crisis".

He also denied receiving "any threats or notification statements" from the U.S. occupation forces recently.

Khanfar also dismissed charges of bias in the coverage of the Fallujah raids, which resulted in more than 400 people killed including women and children.

"We are just carrying out our work as professionally as possible. We describe the situation on the ground as is," Khanfar said.

"We try to be objective. The situation there bear a sign of humanitarian crisis. We just shed light on this," he stressed.

A correspondent for the Qatar-based station - speaking live from Fallujah - had warned Friday against a "humanitarian crisis" in the town if the U.S. soldiers did not end their attack on the densely-populated areas.

He said that local inhabitants are furious over the inaction of Arab and Muslim countries as well as the international community.

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"We are just carrying out our work as professionally as possible," Khanfar (Pic courtesy of al-Jazeera.net)

The channel - Khanfar added, is probably the only media in Fallujah, where its correspondent seized hours of the channel�s air time to convey the deteriorating situation over the past few days.

The correspondent in Fallujah said that even besieged local inhabitants of the town follow the latest developments in their bastion of resistance through al-Jazeera.

Corpses are littered in the streets as U.S. warplanes hit the only hospital and other makeshift medical centers, he added.

As Brig Gen Mark Kimmitt, the deputy director of U.S. military operations in Iraq, was speaking by phone on al-Jazeera and insisting that American forces declared a unilateral ceasefire in Fallujah, the channel was airing live images of continued air raids by F16 fighter jets on residential neighborhoods of the town.

Kimmitt later dismissed the coverage of the channel for the crisis as a "series of lies". However, asked by al-Jazeera anchor about the live images, the U.S. commander said he was not accusing al-Jazeera of faking the images, but rather �looked at things differently�.

He said the attacks by F16 fighter jets and helicopters were meant to take out �armed insurgents firing at our troops�. The anchor reminded Kimmitt, however, that �live coverage showed children and women killed by the missiles, not armed insurgents�.

Observers see the U.S. highly unusual demand for al-Jazeera to leave Fallujah as a sign of crisis of credibility the U.S. forces face in the eyes of the Iraqis as well as people all over the Arab and Islamic world.

Known for its quality programs, professionalism and independence, "the CNN of the Arab world" is the most-watched channel in this part of the world.

Defiant

Khanfar expressed hopes - brimming with fears - that the three correspondents now in Fallujah "would not meet the same fate of Tarik Ayyuob".

On April 8, 2003, one year ago, U.S. forces hit with missiles  al-Jazeera office in Baghdad, killing Ayyoub just a few hours before rolling into the capital.

The channel officials charged the missile attack was a "deliberate" strike, recalling that the office of the station had been hit in November 2001 during the U.S.-led assault on the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

Khanfar, however, put up a defiant tone, saying the station�s team - also including a number of engineers and photographers - would not get out of the town "voluntarily".

"We are not a political party in the crisis. We are just media guys," Khanfar said.

Having the station�s headquarters, Qatar also plays host to the U.S Central Command, which directs the military invasion of Iraq as of March 20. It has one of the largest U.S. military bases in the Arab Gulf.

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U.S. Marines fire mortar shells in the outskirts of Fallujah

Relations between the channel and Washington have been always running on a collision course.

Al-Jazeera website was downed by hackers since Tuesday, March 25, a few days after Washington and London blasted the station for its footages  of dead U.S. and British soldiers and captured PoWs.

During his visit in October last year, Qatari Emir and the principal shareholder of al-Jazeera, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, was reportedly asked to put pressure on the channel to curb what the U.S. called "anti-American coverage".

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld claimed on November 25 he has seen reports suggesting al-Jazeera have cooperated  with Iraqi resistance fighters attacking U.S. troops.

"They are hurting us," Rumsfeld was quoted as saying on Al-Jazeera and Dubai-based Al-Arabiya station.

On November 24, the U.S.-handpicked Governing Council banned Al-Arabiya from working in Iraq, charging it with incitement to murder.

Abu Dhabi TV also announced in April last year that its Baghdad bureau had been hit and broadcast a live report showing its camera position under attack.

With 19 journalists killed in Iraq, 14 during the war, five in the aftermath, and two missing presumed dead, 2003 was one of the bloodiest years in recent times for war reporters.

Sixty-four journalists were killed across the world in 2003, 19 of them in Iraq, according to a report  published by the International Press Institute (IPI) in March 10.

On August 18, in yet another crime against journalists in occupied Iraq, U.S. troops shot dead  an award-winning Reuters cameraman while he was filming on Sunday, August 17, near a U.S.-run detention camp in Baghdad.

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