QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM

liberty wrote: I find it interesting that no one in here really discussed these facts listed by Manny40(below).  Is anyone disputing these as facts?  I would also like to add that the leader of Iran has stated that his goal is to destroy the nation of Israel and the Muslim world has shown no outrage over this.  Hitler also wanted to destroy all Jews and is now probably the most hated person in the history of civilization, but the Iranian president claims to want the same thing that Hitler wanted, Jews destroyed, and the Muslim world seems ok with this.  There are no Muslims calling for apologize from this leader advocating the murder of millions or demanding laws to bar him from making statements such as this!

Greetings Liberty.

When we speak of "outrage", we are speaking of an emotional response. An emotional response does not prove if something is right or wrong, as emotion does not validate anything. In the west, it is "vogue" to show "outrage" as a way of obtaining validation from observers that your beliefs are strong, your love from some thing is strong, or that you are really dedicated to your cause. More times than not, responses of outrage are based upon "hot air" Example of this was the last two elections in the US, where the 18-25 MTV crowd was being accessed to pull the Dems man through the presidency. The problem is that this age group represented their beleifs through emotional presentation, but when it came down to actually voting, mall shoping and lunch with friends became more important. Displays of outrage are also "primal", and one may find animals and apes using "outrage" to show their feelings about matters. Once more, outrage does not prove if what the ape wants is right or wrong. Outrage rarely proves anything of substance, as your entire thesis that Islam is wrong is also based upon, "outrage", an argument by outrage proves nothing or invalidates nothing. We only can deduce that you have a great deal of discontent with Islam.

So when you ask, "where is the outrage", I ask you, "what conclusion does outrage necessarily prove"?

Given that you are a Christian, trinitarian, then from your perspective Jesus is co-equal and coeternal with the Father, though not the Father, same with the holy ghost, all three being distinct parts of Gd.

Where is the outrage of Jesus (assuming your theology) when the Gdhead he is a part of ordered the slaughter of men, women, and children, without mercy or choice to convert, and then allowing the chosen people to steal their property?

Can we be on record to read your outrage?

Where is the Christian outrage when ex-President Reagan,the Christian conservative white knight, instituted "terrorism" as a means to contain communism through the various groups he bolstered to control communist activity? Who armed and trained Bin Laden and the Taliban and the Afghan war lords? Christianity is false for not showing great outrage at these two events (I can give other examples, and if you want to see the real history of terrorism, you can read about the well documented events in 20th century Christian American history in the well written and researched work by Mahmood Mamdani:

  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375422854/qid=1143654769/s r=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-2160564-2999341?s=books&v=glance&am p;n=283155

Where was Christian outrage when Jews were being slaughtered in their own backyard during the rise of the Nazis? (research the topic well if you choose to seriously respond as it is a historical fact that Christendom ignored the events and writes it off with either admitting this fact or trying to obfuscate the issue with lists of excuses.

Another point that you push that has as its bases a huge gross assumption. You ask where is the outrage that Iran wants to destroy Israel. I ask, why should I, or anyone, including the US, give damn?

Let me ask a more pertinent question: Why should Americans have to send their soliders of to die for Israeli foriegn policy? Why should America have to give billions every year to Israel? Why should we Americans have to endure agression toward ourselves and create enemies for the interest in Israel? The founding fathers of the US would not be for this relationship, and as an American, I would like for the US to pull all of its foriegn aid and if countries like Israel cannot make it, then so be it. Not my problem.

Where was Christian outrage from June 8, 1967 when Israeli fighters brutally killed 34 service men while intentionally trying to sink their ship? Why is it that such a small insignificant colonial state has so much sway over the US that they could pull of an attempted sinking of a US ship and then have it swept under a rug?   http://www.ussliberty.com/

Where was Jewish outrage?

Where was Jewish outrage when Jewish extremists killed 92 people wounding 58 in a bombing in July 22, 1946 at the King David Hotel? The Jews loved it so much they put one of the top members of the extremist group as prime minister. Where is the outrage?

Where is Jewish and Christian outrage at the systematic destruction of Arab villages that took place in the late 40s? All traces of the villages wiped out. Can we hear an outrage from you?

Probably not, and I do not expect to see one from you. What I deduce from the lack of outrage from you and Jews and Christians concerning the errors of their adherents is not the invalidation of their or your theology, just misguided people who will commit the fallacy of special pleading as part of their propoganda.

Outrage does not tell us anything about a religion or ideology. If you want to learn about an ideology or religion, then one should approach its texts and writings. Trying to smear a faith because you feel there is not enough outrage is a bit juvenile, as no one can actually learn from the interaction and no real beneift can come from it.

Peace

• Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia.  A Christian school.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt.  No Muslim outrage.
• A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India.  Kills six.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia.  Muslims shoot children in the back.  No Muslim outrage.
• Let's go way back.  Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses.  Over 700 are injured.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons.  No Muslim outrage
• Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world.  No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge.  No Muslim outrage.
• Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.  Muslims are outraged.

liberty wrote: I understand that the one reason that GW Bush went into Iraq was for the oil.  Not all Americans supported him in this endeavour, and I am among them. Let's assume that Israel gives Palestine their land back and pulls back within their borders.  Will their be peace between the Jews and Arabs? What would it take for their to be peace between Arabs and the West? To be quite honest I am not sure what the Muslim world wants from the West.

I say that the US should pull all of its foreign aid and let nations stand on their own.

Trident wrote: Thanks for the prompt reply. What I understand of adultery is sexual relationship with someone who is not our spouse, i.e. husband or wife. But all the translations you've provided says married women cannot be married EXCEPT our RIGHT HAND POSSESSION. How do married women become our RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS?

Similar to the situation in the Christian OT when Jesus as part of the Gdhead allowed Hebrew Soldiers to take women found amongst captives (when they were not being massacred). After a war, the females would usually become captives of Muslims. If the Muslim soldier wished to have relations, then he became responsible for her and this responsibility would become a right for the woman captive. It was war, and this was the method of clean up even presribed by the Christian Jesus as part of the Christian Gdhead. WIthout any nations, and formal treaties, or the UN, this would have been a rational solution.