QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM

ak_m_f wrote: Dont post thge link from websites as "Why I Left Islam!", I thought that you came here to learn, but I see that you are keyboard-crusader. why dont you send an e-mail to some scholar who can accept your challenge. Why arnt we allowed to deny holocaust, are they also hiding something?

Why not? Muslims like to visit anti-Islamic websites & post links to pro-Islamic websites. I don't see why I can't do the reverse here. Why don't we let our readers themselves see two sides of the story, eh?

***Because we don't allows such behavior here nor do we condone such behavior here  or on any other web site.***

I'm not a crusader. Anyway in the 21sy century, the crusades are the least of our worry, if they exist at all. I'd be more worried about terrorism.

***DO NOT link Islam with terrorism here, it will be not be tolerated.  It is both slanderous and insulting.***

And who says you can't deny the Holocaust? Muslims do it freely, right? Anyway, I wouldn't deny that it took place.

(admin: link has beed removed, see guidelines) - The Shocking Truth!

***I have removed this post because not only it is not true, it was insulting towards Islam.***

Salam,

Trident, I am sorry if some who call themselves 'Muslims' have posted horrible things on other websites; however, this is not a website that allows for such.  This is an Islamic forum which was created as a forum for both Muslims and non-Muslims who are sincerely interested in coming here as a means to gain greater understand and knowledge of Islam.  We do not allow "freedom of speech" here, but rather, we hold that the right to post here as a 'privilege' as long as the person posting follows the guidelines for this forum group.  Rule # 1 is as follows:

We manage here an Islamic discussion board, thus all members are requested to maintain the decorum as per the standards of an Islamic cultural society.

Please note, it says �all members� and not just the Muslim members.  That is, all members are expected to apply good adab (manners) in posting here.  There is to be no:

Slanderous, defamatory, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, violent, abusive, insulting, threatening and harassing comments are not tolerated. ALL comments by the person who adopts such a manner may be removed and the person will lose the privilege of participating in the forums in future. We will try to block attempts from the same person to sign up with a different name as well.

So, if you are not here to learn about Islam, but rather, you have only come here to show �Muslims� how wrong their faith is, it is best that you simply leave before you are removed.  Yes, this is a warning.  Your posts here have been nothing but Islam bashing without any true desire to look at credible information regarding Islam.  Yes, you have the right to dislike Islam if you want to; however, you will have to take your blatant lack of respect for those who come here to learn and to help someplace else because it will not be tolerated here.

Fredifreeloader, this message holds equally true for you.  I have watched you now for quite some time and your views on Islam have not changed at all.  In fact, the more others on this forum try to help you learn about Islam the harder your views against Islam become.  This forum group was not started as a means for those who hate Islam to come here and try to convenience Muslims that their faith is wrong or invalid.  So, either show us you really have some �positive� interest in Islam or please leave the board before you are terminated. 

PAZ

Sister Khadija

Trident wrote:   Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from a Muslim. The undeniable fact is that Mr. Ahmad has agreed to my allegation that Islam indeed allowed the rape of captive women. Mr. Ahmad is right about leaving it to the readers to see through his explanation of this. The readers will see how Mr. Ahmad tries to justify the acts of the Muslim soldiers under Muhammad's command. And hopefully our dear readers will read the part where Mr. Ahmad actually agrees that rape indeed took place. This gem of a Hadith (Muslim) further explains the "wonderful" treatment of war captives according to Islam. Book 008, Number 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born. We can see from these Hadiths how Muhammad himself endorses azl, or coitus interruptus. Need I say more? I think the Hadiths are enough for strong evidence.

Trident , no, you need not say more because what you have said it not correct.  It would be nice if you could read that hadith and know what it means.  The Prophet (pbuh) was not condoning anything; he was making a point which is �regardless of whether or not a man practices 'azl (coitus interrupt us), it will not determine if a woman would get pregnant�.  The reason He said this to the men is because it says in the Holy Qur�an (see ayat below) that Allah is the one who controls who will conceive and have children so whether or not the man practices coitus interrupt us doesn�t matter.

42:49 To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills (and plans). He bestows (children) male or female according to His Will (and Plan),

Does this mean he condones it?  Or that he condoned raping female captives?  No.  It was a hadith about conception and the effects of coitus interrupt us.  There are other ahadith which speak of �azl and the following one shows that the Prophet (pbuh) not only did not know that the men were practicing it but that he did not approve of it once he found out.

Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432, Buhkari:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.

You might and probably will take the position that the Prophet (pbuh) only said �it is better for you not to do it� and not that he said �don�t do it�; however, if you know anything about Islam, then you would know that for the Prophet (pbuh) to say �It is better for you not to do it� was the equivalent of saying, �Don�t do it!�

There is nothing in these ahadith which indicates that the Prophet (pbuh) condoned the raping of female war captives or that it actually took place and to say so is merely an assumption on the part of any who says otherwise. 

The Prophet said the following:

Free the captives, feed the hungry and pay a visit to the sick. (Volume 4, Book 52, Number 282, Buhkari)

Did he set them free? 

Volume 4, Book 53, Number 372, Buhkari:  

Narrated Nafi:

'Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "O Allah's Apostle! I vowed to observe Itikaf for one day during the Pre-lslamic period." The Prophet ordered him to fulfill his vow. 'Umar gained two lady captives from the war prisoners of Hunain and he left them in some of the houses at Mecca. When Allah's Apostle freed the captives of Hunain without ransom, they came out walking in the streets. 'Umar said (to his son), "O Abdullah! See what is the matter." 'Abdullah replied, "Allah's Apostle has freed the captives without ransom." He said (to him), "Go and set free those two slave girls."

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 288, Buhkari:   

Narrated 'Urwa bin Az-Zubair:

Marwan bin Al-Hakam and Al-Miswar bin Makhrama told him that when the Muslims were permitted to set free the captives of Hawazin, Allah's Apostle said, "I do not know who amongst you has agreed (to it) and who has not. Go back so that your 'Urafa' may submit your decision to us." So the people returned and their 'Urafa' talked to them and then came back to Allah's Apostle and told him that the people had given their consent happily and permitted (their captives to be freed).

Yes, he did free captives and encouraged his men to do so for the sake of Allah (God).  Furthermore, he did the following when his own, beloved, daughter requested a captive as servant.

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 55, Buhkari:  

Narrated 'Ali:

Fatima complained of the suffering caused to her by the hand mill. Some Captives were brought to the Prophet, she came to him but did not find him at home 'Aisha was present there to whom she told (of her desire for a servant). When the Prophet came, Aisha informed him about Fatima's visit. Ali added "So the Prophet came to us, while we had gone to our bed I wanted to get up but the Prophet said, "Remain at your place". Then he sat down between us till I found the coolness of his feet on my chest. Then he said, "Shall I teach you a thing which is better than what you have asked me? When you go to bed, say, 'Allahu-Akbar' thirty-four times, and 'Subhan Allah thirty-three times, and 'Alhamdu-lillah thirty-three times for that is better for you both than a servant."

That is, he told them (Fatima and Ali) it was better to make dhikr (to praise God) each night than to own a captive as a servant.

Trident, regardless of what you may think, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the person you and others like you want to portray him to have been.  The only way you can even get close to accomplishing this is to distort history and defile information about him.  What is your propose for doing this?  Why do you want to make the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) look bad in the eyes of the world?

PAZ

Sister Khadija