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Sis Khadija thanks for your explanation of ahadith in an effort to make bro Trident understand. But I don't think such efforts would bear any fruit on people who are untruthfull to their own innerself. I wish Bro Trident may not be among one of those.
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Assalamu Alaikum

Brother AhmadJoyia, I agree.  The reason I put this here was not for the benefit of Trident, but rather, because I felt it my Islamic duty to do so.

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Originally posted by Khadija1021 Khadija1021 wrote:

Salam,

Trident, I am sorry if some who call themselves 'Muslims' have posted horrible things on other websites; however, this is not a website that allows for such.  This is an Islamic forum which was created as a forum for both Muslims and non-Muslims who are sincerely interested in coming here as a means to gain greater understand and knowledge of Islam.  We do not allow "freedom of speech" here, but rather, we hold that the right to post here as a 'privilege' as long as the person posting follows the guidelines for this forum group.  Rule # 1 is as follows:

We manage here an Islamic discussion board, thus all members are requested to maintain the decorum as per the standards of an Islamic cultural society.

Please note, it says �all members� and not just the Muslim members.  That is, all members are expected to apply good adab (manners) in posting here.  There is to be no:

Slanderous, defamatory, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, violent, abusive, insulting, threatening and harassing comments are not tolerated. ALL comments by the person who adopts such a manner may be removed and the person will lose the privilege of participating in the forums in future. We will try to block attempts from the same person to sign up with a different name as well.

So, if you are not here to learn about Islam, but rather, you have only come here to show �Muslims� how wrong their faith is, it is best that you simply leave before you are removed. 

Assalam Aleikum Sister.

Perhaps I have misunderstood you and the forum. Please enlighten me.I find this level of cencorship to be somewhat disconcerting. Let me see if I have this right. Having a discussion and debate about Islam from a non believer perspective is breaking the rules? If a non-believer does not "get it" in Islam, they are removed? So a non-believer is only able to dissent for a given amount of time? I was unable to find this in the rules section. 

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Originally posted by Khadija1021 Khadija1021 wrote:

Trident, regardless of what you may think, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the person you and others like you want to portray him to have been.  The only way you can even get close to accomplishing this is to distort history and defile information about him.  What is your propose for doing this?  Why do you want to make the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) look bad in the eyes of the world?

PAZ

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I'm not potraying or imagining about Muhammad. Nor am I trying to distort facts or history, or trying to tarnish Muhammad's name. All my understanding of Muhammad came from reading the Quran, Hadith & Sirat Rasul itself.

Previously, I thought all religion is good. I also thought that only the people distort religion to suit their own agenda. I also used to defend Islam when others amongst my society accuses it of violence. I claimed that Muslims have misused their religion.

That's when 9/11 happened & changed my whole perception about Islam. It made me think, why only Muslims "hijack" their religion? That's when I decided to read the Islamic scriptures for myself. What I found was that, the Muslims didn't hijack islam at all, but were simply following in the footstep of their prophet. I felt shame for defending Islam against my fellow people. But I kept quite about it.

The damning blow came when I read the Sirat Rasul & came to know about the torture & murder of Kinana (because Kinana couldn't reveal where he kept the treasures) & the subsequent taking of his wife Safiya by Muhammad. All these don't looks like the actions of a prophet, but a merciless tyrant.

Now Miss Khadija, do you understand what's my purpose of doing this?

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Originally posted by Andalus Andalus wrote:

Assalam Aleikum Sister.

Perhaps I have misunderstood you and the forum. Please enlighten me.I find this level of cencorship to be somewhat disconcerting. Let me see if I have this right. Having a discussion and debate about Islam from a non believer perspective is breaking the rules? If a non-believer does not "get it" in Islam, they are removed? So a non-believer is only able to dissent for a given amount of time? I was unable to find this in the rules section. 

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Wa Alaikum Assalam Andulas (br/sr?),

I believe you have misunderstood me.  It is one thing if a non-Muslim doesn't "get" Islam, but a totally different and unacceptable thing if a non-Muslim comes here merely to bash Islam by violating the forum guidelines.  If a non-Muslim comes here and starts defaming the Prophet (pbuh) and insulting Islam they are not immediately terminated (they are warned); however, if Muslims here point out to them that they are reading propaganda and other such corrupted information about Islam and point them to legitimate Islamic web sites and information yet they continue to uses propaganda to bash Islam, that is not acceptable behavior here.  The forum guidelines clearly state what is and is not appropriate behavior for this forum group.  Coming here to post is a privilege as long as the person posting is following the guidelines.  I am a moderator for IC forum and it is my job to make sure that all members (both non-Muslims and Muslims) follow the forum guidelines. 

Inshallah this helps you with your concern regarding the guidelines of IC forum.

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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

I'm not potraying or imagining about Muhammad. Nor am I trying to distort facts or history, or trying to tarnish Muhammad's name. All my understanding of Muhammad came from reading the Quran, Hadith & Sirat Rasul itself.


Previously, I thought all religion is good. I also thought that only the people distort religion to suit their own agenda. I also used to defend Islam when others amongst my society accuses it of violence. I claimed that Muslims have misused their religion.


That's when 9/11 happened & changed my whole perception about Islam. It made me think, why only Muslims "hijack" their religion? That's when I decided to read the Islamic scriptures for myself. What I found was that, Muslims didn't hijack islam at all, but were simply following in the footstep of their prophet. I felt shame for defending Islam against my fellow people. I kept quite about it.


The damning blow came when I read the Sirat Rasul & came to know�about the torture & murder of Kinana (because Kinana couldn't reveal�where he kept the treasures) & the�subsequent taking of his wife Safiya by Muhammad. All these don't looks like the actions of a prophet, but a merciless�tyrant.


Now Miss Khadija, do you understand what's my purpose of doing this?



So you are saying thats its not muslims fault, it was the prophe who was at fault?

tell me trident what faith are you from? Atheist?

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Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

So you are saying thats its not muslims fault, it was the prophet who was at fault?

tell me trident what faith are you from? Atheist?

The Muslims are at fault for following such a man. I wouldn't, after reading all about him from the Hadiths & Sirat Rasul.

My faith is irrevelant here. Islam considers all other religions as kufr and it's adherents as infidels. So just say my religion is kufr.
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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

So you are saying thats its not muslims fault, it was the prophet who was at fault?

tell me trident what faith are you from? Atheist?

The Muslims are at fault for following such a man.

A man who has been noted as the most influencial from a historical context? I am at fault for trying to lead a life close to that of the greatest of Gd's creatures, Prophet Muhammad (saw)? I wish I could live even a fraction of his path. Please tell me which faults I fall under?

 

Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

I wouldn't, after reading all about him from the Hadiths & Sirat Rasul.

My faith is irrevelant here. Islam considers all other religions as kufr and it's adherents as infidels. So just say my religion is kufr.

I would not hold your views to seriously given your education by trash detractors such as Ali Sina.

Your faith is relevant. If my faith is wrong, then you must have an ideal belief system that I am missing out on.
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