Conversion to Christianity

Mishmish wrote: If you have read the thread here, there are rulings from scholars that show that apostacy is not an automatic death sentence in Islam.

Your reference to that is ? I only ask because i'm in the middle of researching stuff.

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

I am ever so sorry for putting up this link, I have a terrible habit of not reading intro or part about the author, lesson learnt inshaAllah in future wont happen

with my limited knowledge from reading some seerah books, books bout lives of our rightly guided caliphs and some info bout our four imams, I never had any other knowledge of punishment of apostasy, I had read work of Maulana Mawdudi and thought this was most comprehensive work done by new day�s scholar. To my surprise I found its translation on the web and let me tell u one of most accurate and eloquent translation of any work, although intentions of translators were whateva it was. Im trying to find another translation of same work from other websites if I could and inshaAllah will post that.

Now coming to matter in hand, dear sister an opinion of new day�s scholar is needed in matters where Holy Quran, Ahadith, Sunnah and for majority of scholars period of first four caliphs is quiet, then opinions of Imams are sought then its is checked whether there was ijtihaad on the matter or not, now some scholars say that Holy Quran has no clear verse to indicate the punishment, but there are ahadith, there are examples from life of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw), then examples from each Khalifah, and there was no difference among the four Imams, and matter of fact is issue was not for debate for a whole first 1000 years r so, so how come it popped up after all that time? U think new scholars found some thing of a religion which companions, tabi�n r generations after them dint have knowledge about?  Or we present generations feel more pain of people and are more sensitive than the person to whom Allah swt gave his own name of Rahim?  Just for ur own peace of heart check what these scholars are saying bout Jihaad I am quite sure they will be using examples from life of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) to explain that some of the Ayaat which seems quite strict r not to be taken in their meaning. Right approach but wrong reasons. 

Alhamdulillah each n every one of us among ummah wants to spread this message but we shouldn�t try to sugar coat stuff r the matters which we cant explain brush em under the carpet. One blessing which will prove itself time n time again is Holy Quran, we need to tell it to people that first step would be realizing it is truth from Allah swt, which modern world has made some what easier with scientific discoveries, person who discovered about finger printing is alhamdulillah a muslim now cos of effort of muslim who wrote him a letter telling him bout first few Ayaat of Surah Qayyamah and how it is there for nearly fourteen centuries but due to lack of knowledge and understanding neva knew the meaning when Allah swt says to people who have doubts about resurrection that �Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers�.  This would prove the truthfulness of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) and the fact that Allah is our lord and as our lord it is in his rights to make laws for us, some of em which we understand and some we don�t but it don�t mean that they are not to be followed

Here is a matter from life of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) which shows how such matters should be dealt with

�To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth, and whether you disclose what is in yourselves or conceal it, Allah will call you to account for it. Then He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills. And Allah is able to do all things�.  In this Ayah [2:284], Allah states that He has knowledge of what the hearts conceal, and consequently, He will hold the creation accountable for whatever is in their hearts. This is why when this Ayah was revealed, it was hard on the Companions, since out of their strong faith and conviction, they were afraid that such reckoning would diminish their good deeds.  Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "When �To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth, and whether you disclose what is in yourselves or conceal it, Allah will call you to account for it. Then He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills. And Allah is able to do all things�  was revealed to the Messenger of Allah , it was very hard for the Companions of the Messenger . The Companions came to the Messenger and fell to their knees saying, `O Messenger of Allah! We were asked to perform what we can bear of deeds: the prayer, the fast, Jihad and charity. However, this Ayah was revealed to you, and we cannot bear it.' The Messenger of Allah said �Do you want to repeat what the People of the Two Scriptures before you said, that is, `We hear and we disobey' Rather, say, `We hear and we obey, and we seek Your forgiveness, O our Lord, and the Return is to You.� When the people accepted this statement and their tongues recited it, Allah sent down afterwards �The Messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do)the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers � and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).''  When they did that, Allah abrogated the Ayah [2:284] and sent down the Ayah, �Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. "Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error.'') until the end.''

 Wassalam

AhmadJoyia wrote: But the fact of the matter is, that Quran specifically states that there is no compulsion. If we forget about these verses,

and what about other verses, you just forget those to concentrate on others that you most perfer ?