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Angela
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 7:54am |
Meng wrote:
Also, I have read the posts here saying Christians are constantly telling Muslims they are going to hell? Exactly what type of Christians are these Muslims talking to? When sharing Christ and the Gospel with Muslims or any other group, a Christian would never threaten that person with Hell - we do not determine who goes to Hell, God does.
"Jesus did say that He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, and that no man cometh to the Father but by Him (Jesus)." During this Holy Week season, we remember these words, and the fact that Jesus overcame death and the grave, and rose again to vindicate His Words. This is what we share with Muslims - not threats of Hell.
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I have to disagree with this. I don't know how many times I've been told by evangelist missionaries about the eternal damnation of those who do not accept Christ as their Redeemer. Needless to say, it happens in all circles. I had a set of missionaries tell me that I was damned to hell because of the life I was living while in college. I also had to go through my bosses Hotel and remove Born Again pamphlets from all the rooms and public areas. Some said anyone celebrating Halloween would go to Hell and that anyone who didn't accept Christ would go to hell. My bosses were a wonderful HINDU family and were very upset by it.
Its sad, but I've been told I was going to hell by Christian and Muslim alike.
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Meng
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 8:00am |
Angela, was that the Marrriott hotel?
I've done missionary work in Mexico, and never once threatended anybody with hell, nor can I recall any missionary that has done so. Of course, as you know, evangelical Christians believe that apart from Christ there is no salvation - but we rely on the Holy Spirit to draw people to the Lord, not threats.
How much do you know about Reformed theology, Angela? For instance, are you familiar with the concept of the perseverance of the saints, as derived from Calvinist teaching? I would be in that camp.
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Angela
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 8:33am |
Nope, as I said my owners were Hindu, not Mormon. Marriott is a Mormon.
I'm not saying you did that. I'm just saying it happens. There are missionaries in every group that get too zealous and end up doing more damage.
There is one Catholic woman on this board who is considering reverting to Islam. I don't blame her, the Evangelical missionaries in Malaysia have been threatening her and really made a bad representation of what its to be Christlike.
The best Missionary work is not what I call bible thumping or other people call witnessing. The best Missionary work I find is being myself, staying faithful and doing service for service's sake.
I've been asked more about my faith because those that know me saw a change.
However, missionaries going into areas to spread the word of God don't understand that they aren't always welcomed and they get pushy in there message.
(on a side note, my protestant philosophy is rather limited due to a alcoholic/child molesting minister in a Methodist Church. I'm much more educated in my current faith due to 5 years of study before baptism and Eastern Orthodox theology since I had two really great priests.)
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Meng
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 9:51am |
Angela, you are familiar with the missionary army of the Mormon church, right? You are familiar with the fact that, according to the BOM, all Christian Churches and their creeds are an abomination in God's sight, right?
I don't know about missionaries in Malaysia. But as a Christian, I would tell the individual (the Catholic lady) who is considering returning to Islam this:
Consider Jesus. Forget about denominations, Churches, rules, laws, etc. But consider Jesus. Read His Words, for they were spoken for you. Jesus went to the cross for you. And He rose again to give you life. Consider Him, and ask Him into your life.
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Mishmish
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 10:51am |
Meng wrote:
Angela, you are familiar with the missionary army of the Mormon church, right? You are familiar with the fact that, according to the BOM, all Christian Churches and their creeds are an abomination in God's sight, right?
I don't know about missionaries in Malaysia. But as a Christian, I would tell the individual (the Catholic lady) who is considering returning to Islam this:
Consider Jesus. Forget about denominations, Churches, rules, laws, etc. But consider Jesus. Read His Words, for they were spoken for you. Jesus went to the cross for you. And He rose again to give you life. Consider Him, and ask Him into your life.
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Meng: Once again you proselytizing and this will not be allowed. This is your last warning!
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Angela
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 11:04am |
Why should she? Each woman or man is to search their conscious for the truth? If she finds God through Islam and it makes her a better person. Then God bless her. A little know fact is Mormonism believes there will be members of all faiths in heaven.
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Meng
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 11:06am |
Angela, well I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the issue of the necessity of faith in Christ. I'm sure you're familiar with the vs. stating that Jesus in the Only Way.
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Athanasius
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Posted: 13 April 2006 at 8:25am |
Angela wrote:
Why should she? Each woman or man is to search their conscious for the truth? If she finds God through Islam and it makes her a better person. Then God bless her. A little know fact is Mormonism believes there will be members of all faiths in heaven. |
Interesting that a Mormon would advise a person to become a Muslim because she has found God in Islam. I'm going to bring this up to some Mormon friends and see what they say about it - I think you're way out of line here. And the Muslims on this site should consider for one moment that this represents an evangelical Christian point of view.
Let's consider this: would a Muslims tell another Muslim to become a Mormon because they have found God in Mormonism. I doubt it highly. Which means, in this case, that the Muslims have a higher regard for their beliefs than the Mormons have for Jesus.
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Freedom is a gift from God - to deny men freedom is to worship evil.
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