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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:12am

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

im not trying to brush this matter under the carpet, only thing which i was trying to do was to say it to muslim brothers and sisters, not to go so far in battle of 'im right and u r wrong' and say about ur Lord or His ruling something which we have no full comprehension of. 

Brother alhamdulillah Allah swt has made Holy Quran easy to understand but for people of knowledge, Ibn Abbas (ra) was best in the understanding of Holy Quran among all sahaba (ra), it is related from him that he was among few people who knew the number of ashabe kahaf and he was the among very few if not the only person who could understand what Allah swt meant when Surah Nasr was revealed, the rest of Sahaba (ra) used to ask him even though he was a kid in comparison to them and they knew bout the dealing and ruling of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) more than him. those people used to ask and tell each other about each and every single thing Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) said, did or approved of by keeping quiet, but yet they had to ask Ibn Abbas or other sahaba (ra) for clarification of Holy Quran, Now brother if u r any1 in this forum could say to me that u know about every major book of ahadith (im not saying u know every single hadith), u have full knowledge of what was said when and where by Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) and how strong the chain of narrations is, then may Allah swt grant u best place with Himself and im sorry

but if u telling me that there is a bigger scholar in this day n age than Iman Hanifa, Imam Shafi'i, Imam Malik and Imam Ahmed or any other major imam then thats ur matter I dont believe that bcos even Holy Quran mentions that those who are Muqarrabin of Allah swt are mostly from first generation, there are plenty of ahadith about this matter but im sad to say people start doubting their authenticity the minute it dont suite them, Imam Malik neva use to say anything bout a saying which was related to him and it did not meet his criteria for being a hadith as he used to say what am i going to say to Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) on Day of Judgement and how am i going to face him (saw) if I said about his words that they are not his only bcos i did not have enuf mind to have full comprehension. there is another hadith which mention Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) saying follow Abubakr and Umar (ra) after me, Abubakr (ra) waged a war against apostates and in the time of Umar (ra) about whom it is said that Allah swt had given him quality of being a best Judge, u cant find any single case with a different judgement.  Allah swt gave exceptions to Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) in many case due to nature his mission but find me a single example from time of rightly guided caliphs or few 100 years after that.

now the matter of abrogation, brother Allah swt mentions it in Holy Quran himself that He makes rule and He has authority to abrogate them, see verses for changing the direction of Qiblah, jews believe that when some thing is revealed, thats it and no change and dont believe in abrogation so please dont fall in that

May Allah swt guide us al to right path and help us attain his pleasure. ameen

wassalam

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2006 at 10:06pm

Sorry to say this... Im not Muslim and Im not Christian....

But how did a Afghan. Man convert to Christianity?

Are there Christians in Afghan trying to convert Muslims?

As a Buddhist it makes my stomach sick to hear a Christian try and convert someone. I don�t get angry but it sure does disgust me. I would rather clean the beds of dead people rather than listen to a Christian preach the Bible.

I think life should be like a hug from your Mother. If everyone was this kind then we would have world peace.

I think regardless of how good we think one religion is over another, the best way to live life is with Compassion and Kindness.

If the actions of the Christians who converted this poor Afghan man get this man killed then the Christians should receive judgment from their God or higher being.

Of course I also disagree with killing a man for converting!! That is total crazy logic. Let his maker be the judge not man.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2006 at 10:12pm
forestcall I agree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:06am

forestcall, that afghan man who got converted was mentally ill according to his family members.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:35am
Originally posted by salman salman wrote:

forestcall, that afghan man who got converted was mentally ill according to his family members.

And its probably what they want to believe as it is easier to live with, if not then its the way to keep the person alive.

I am sure the guy is prefectly sane.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:38am
Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by salman salman wrote:


forestcall, that afghan man who got converted was mentally ill according to his family members.



And its probably what they want to believe as it is easier to live with, if not then its the way to keep the person alive.


I am sure the guy is prefectly sane.



I guess family knows more abot him then you, but its also possible that you are right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 12:39am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:05am
Abduhl Rahman converted sixteen years ago when he lived in the west.
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