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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:43am

My theory is 16 years ago, Afghanistan was a hotbed of misery.  Who was there trying to help?????  Rahman was probably seeing alot of horrible things in the name of Islam and he was seeing these aid workers living their gospel.  My counter theory is he wasn't tortured and coerced into converting.  He saw people with true Faith, Love and Charity, living Christ's teachings.  He was not converted over a distortion, but a sense of faith he saw in others.  Now, that's my theory.....it holds about as much weight as the "EVIL" Catholics beat him with a rubber hose until he agreed to be baptized. 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:36am

Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

Here's my counter theory, he read this passage

Sis Angela, can you come down a little bit on our level as eulogy of Paul is too high, for me at least, to understand what's your theory is? Thanks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 8:07am

If he had been tortured into conversion, his faith in Christianity would have been weak, he would have cracked and reverted to Islam when faced with death.  There are circumstances in this mans life that lead him to rethink the way he looked at life.  Perhaps his divorce, lack of work....the Taliban.  He was Afghani.  Perhaps he was appaulled by the whole way his fellow Afghanis were being treated by men claiming to represent Islam.  90% of Afghanis are illiterate and have never read the Quran for themselves.  They are poor, hungry and have suffered for 20+ years at the hands of foreign powers and internal struggles.  I don't know about you, but if I watched women locked up in their homes and religious police terrorizing my people.  I'd rethink my religious affiliation.  Perhaps its more that he didn't have good Muslim rolemodels to follow.  Instead, he watched Christian aid workers doing what they could to ease the suffering going on in the camps. 

Here's my counter theory, he read this passage.

1 Corinthians 13

 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I really think the Muslims of the world need to focus on education there, Arabic and Islamic schools for boys and for girls.  Education will change everything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 5:14am

Bismillah,

may be the man in afghanistan who got converted was tortured by some of the non muslims

Dear Brother Salman,

This is a possibility, okay, but not probable.  Why?  Because the smart thing to do, which has been pointed out here, is to give starving people food and a lonely soul comfort to gain its allegiance.

Torture and fear are implemented, obviously, in this world against humans to cause us to comply; but people know that if they use the same tool repeatedly, it loses its effectiveness.  May Allah, SWT, punish -- in this world and the next -- all those who torture others.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 5:10am

Bismillah,

Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

Here's my non professional opinion.  If the people around you are practicing their deen well, with no hypocrisy and no corruption.  Then there will be no desire to convert to another faith.  If Muslims are worried/concerned about other Muslims being drawn away from the fold.  Perhaps they should take a serious look at why these people would want to leave.  This man grew up in Afghanistan....its been stated many times on here there are problems there with the implementation of the deen.  His conversion could have been more to social issues than religious ones. 

I agree with you, Sister Angela.  Our faith is beautiful and well-rounded and the religious guidelines are easy to follow and beneficial to our lives.  The forgiveness and mercy of our Loving Lord is boundless, so of course, anyone leaving it must not have felt that because of social pressures.  Mercy WAS there, but I can understand a person being under such tremendous social difficulties and believing that their faith is devoid of mercy, when in reality, it was just the judgmental social atmosphere he grew up in.  Allahu 'alam.  Maybe he will change his mind, but he surely can't if people around him are saying:  Kill him!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 1:06am

Originally posted by superme superme wrote:

I think Salman is one of the finest Indian muslim I have come across. Good on you bro, march on.

I think Salman is one of the only Indian muslims I have come across. Good on you bro, march on.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:54am
I think Salman is one of the finest Indian muslim I have come across. Good on you bro, march on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:48am
Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

Well that is too simplistic a proposal. I don't buy it, bro Salman.

 

Ahmad, how could you possibly accuse Mr Salman of being too simplistic?

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