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Angela View Drop Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 8:07am

If he had been tortured into conversion, his faith in Christianity would have been weak, he would have cracked and reverted to Islam when faced with death.  There are circumstances in this mans life that lead him to rethink the way he looked at life.  Perhaps his divorce, lack of work....the Taliban.  He was Afghani.  Perhaps he was appaulled by the whole way his fellow Afghanis were being treated by men claiming to represent Islam.  90% of Afghanis are illiterate and have never read the Quran for themselves.  They are poor, hungry and have suffered for 20+ years at the hands of foreign powers and internal struggles.  I don't know about you, but if I watched women locked up in their homes and religious police terrorizing my people.  I'd rethink my religious affiliation.  Perhaps its more that he didn't have good Muslim rolemodels to follow.  Instead, he watched Christian aid workers doing what they could to ease the suffering going on in the camps. 

Here's my counter theory, he read this passage.

1 Corinthians 13

 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I really think the Muslims of the world need to focus on education there, Arabic and Islamic schools for boys and for girls.  Education will change everything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:36am

Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

Here's my counter theory, he read this passage

Sis Angela, can you come down a little bit on our level as eulogy of Paul is too high, for me at least, to understand what's your theory is? Thanks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:43am

My theory is 16 years ago, Afghanistan was a hotbed of misery.  Who was there trying to help?????  Rahman was probably seeing alot of horrible things in the name of Islam and he was seeing these aid workers living their gospel.  My counter theory is he wasn't tortured and coerced into converting.  He saw people with true Faith, Love and Charity, living Christ's teachings.  He was not converted over a distortion, but a sense of faith he saw in others.  Now, that's my theory.....it holds about as much weight as the "EVIL" Catholics beat him with a rubber hose until he agreed to be baptized. 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 10:12am
Yap! I am willing to equate your theory with the one presented by bro Salman since both lack evidence. This is not true for all other theories, though not to boast, especially the one presented by me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 10:21am

Your theory lacks just as much evidence.  You have no account showing that they gave him distorted information.  You would all have it that he's insane, he was tricked or tortured.  He made a choice of conscious.  He found his truth in Christianity.  Though you may disagree with his choice.  Its his right to choose and his choice to make.  The "self proclaimed" muslims and Mullahs calling for his execution wanted to rob him of that choice....when even the Holy Quran gives it to him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:05am

Assalamu Alaikum:

GEEZ! Everything turns into an argument here lately.

How will we possibly ever know why this man converted or what was in his heart or mind. Maybe he just wanted to eat some bacon.... who knows? He did it. He is not the first Muslim to convert and won't be the last.

Perhaps if the Ummah were stronger and we didn't argue about every single small detail, but instead spent more time helping others and trying to truly love for the sake of Allah(SWT), Muslims as a whole would feel part of a larger more caring and cohesive community.

Yes, we are always happy when someone reverts to Islam, but then what happens to them? You have only to look here to see that once people become Muslim they are sort of adrift with no-one to guide them or make them feel part of a whole.  I have been a Muslim for 10 years, yet I still feel that here where I live. Even on this board many times we have seen the born Muslims denigrate the reverts. What is that all about?

If people are leaving Islam, perhaps we have ourselves as the Islamic Ummah to blame. No, the Ummah is not a myth, but it sure needs some serious resuscitation....

 

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:46pm

Sis Angela, there are two elements of motivation in my theory, for his conversion.

 1. The distorted info. By this I meant, not only the fictatious conversion stories but numerous other techniques to influence.

2. The promise for rosy gardens of the west.

If element number one is a guess work, I can understand, but certainly not the second one. The 16 years after conversion he spent in Germany is the evidence I was refering to.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:53pm

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518 ,409650,00.html

to read an interesting story: The Troubled Odyssey of Abdul Rahman

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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