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    Posted: 21 April 2005 at 9:52pm
   RAPES

    Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable.  Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape.  How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me.  Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

     So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about.  Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife".  Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages.  This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.

 1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead  (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

  Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

    Obviously these women were repeatedly raped.  These sick maniacs killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.  How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

 2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites    (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

   They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings � Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba � died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

 Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

 3) More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

   As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.



 4) Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

 What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? 

 5) Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
 
 6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

   Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

    Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."  Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."  [The child dies seven days later.]
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My use of the history and elaborations about specific Biblical verses in the Talmud:

Ironically, one of the Bible's 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: "Thou shalt not kill.  (Exodus 20:13)."  Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands!   3-year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.
The pedophilic Biblical verses are Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40.
7)  Rape of Female Captives   (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NLT)

    Suppose you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God hands them over to you and you take captives.  And suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you are attracted to her and want to marry her.  If this happens, you may take her to your home, where she must shave her head, cut her fingernails, and change all her clothes.  Then she must remain in your home for a full month, mourning for her father and mother.  After that you may marry her.  But if you marry her and then decide you do not like her, you must let her go free.  You may not sell her or treat her as a slave, for you have humiliated her.

   8)  Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

  They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.   (Judges 5:30 NAB)

 9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kim! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2005 at 11:08pm

Seems to me the Bible is telling stories of stuff that happened in history - not condoning it, just telling it as it happened. I suppose the lesson to be gained is "read this, it was bad - DON'T do it!"

And again - why take it so seriously - the Bible has been _edited_, remember?

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you see Kim... some people tend to agree that the Bible was edited at some time or the other only when reading posts like the ones above... at other times they deny it being corrupted with and choose a path to promote the garbled scriptures... its like denial and acceptance of convenience. Would you argue that its content is unchanged?

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Originally posted by kim! kim! wrote:

...... I suppose the lesson to be gained is "read this, it was bad - DON'T do it!"

This is a strange conclusion. If the holiest of holy book is not telling what is right and what is wrong then who shall decide? The aethiests? or someone else?

Originally posted by kim! kim! wrote:

And again - why take it so seriously - the Bible has been _edited_, remember?

Kim...

Again, this is hight of apathy towards a relegion! If the so called book of guidance, the book for which people spend their entire life to live by it word by word is not to be taken seriously, then which else book needs to be taken seriously?

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Surely the main message for Christians is "Love your God, Love thy neighbour as thyself"  ie:REspect God and be nice to each other!

Really, is there anything else we need to know?

Isn't that what Jesus said. In summary - "well, Dad gave you 10 commandments, and you still couldn't get it right, so try this: Love God and be nice to other people. Simple, right???"

Is there anything else Christians are supposed to do?

And yes, of course the Bible has been edited, and there are still loads of variations being published right this minute. They all depend on the intent of the editor - eg: who the audience is meant to be (young people? Older people? Western people?)

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I guess these terrorist christian soldiers must really thinking they doing their biblical dutie in Afghanistan , iraq and other places.

Now we know why they have done in bosnia in latin america and now in afghanistan, iraq and USA to Muslims
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That last post is rather disgusting. We all know people who come from Christian countries have done so many bad things. But what people fail to mention is that people from all countries do bad things. As for muslims killing in Sudan, Adia Minor, Cyprus etc etc. proves my point. So have Hindus killed, Sikhs.. the list goes on. And all these judgements from us humans. Personally i could say all the bad things that have happened but theres no point. Why? Because whoever you are.. a muslim or a Christian, you will be judged by GOD and only God. We live on this earth for a little time and God has no beginning or end. Basically stop judging one religion of something that have happened, God does not find satisfaction in that.

 

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Originally posted by kim! kim! wrote:

Surely the main message for Christians is "Love your God, Love thy neighbour as thyself"  ie:REspect God and be nice to each other!

Really, is there anything else we need to know?

Isn't that what Jesus said. In summary - "well, Dad gave you 10 commandments, and you still couldn't get it right, so try this: Love God and be nice to other people. Simple, right???"

I guess you are quite simple in your approach if not simplistic. Do you intend to replace whole Bible with this one sentence? I think you are specifically looking at those who wants "little fun" in their life before they run out of their youth..Allow me to further guess that it is for these kind of people (specifically christian youth) that whole Bible is put aside when these people start arguing about the authenticity and contents in the book.

 

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Is there anything else Christians are supposed to do?

I think, Yes. They need to identify to whom to pray. Should they pray to the God of Jesus to whom Jesus also used to pray or should they pray to others. I think this is quite an important point. Isn't it?

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And yes, of course the Bible has been edited, and there are still loads of variations being published right this minute. They all depend on the intent of the editor - eg: who the audience is meant to be (young people? Older people? Western people?)

Kim...

I have no comments on your description of this problem except to ask you the possible solution to this problem. Which book should they consider as a navigator for their lives? A book that could lead them to the right path.

May God provide us the wisdom and direction in the search of truth. Amen.

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