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Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

Annie,

I checked with one of them and he told me they are Protestants. He said, "We are Protestants because we protest against the Catholic Church."

Is it right what the protestants do?

After hearing that, I feel as if the Protestants are something like a minority sect and are not the main stream Christians. Perhaps, you can throw some light on this.

BMZ

Anyway, I will go on Thursday.



Protestants are outnumbered by the Catholics.  That does not mean that Catholics are on "the right track.  That does not mean that Protestants are not "main stream Christians."  I think that the main thing that Protestants object to as far as Catholics are concerned is that the Protestants go strickly by what the Bible says and the Catholics go by what their Pope says.  Catholics, for instance, go beyond what the New Testament says about Mary.  Protestants do not do that.

If you got the response: "We are Protestants because we protest against the Catholic Church."

Then they are not being honest with you.  There is no reason whatsoever that they shouldn't have said:  "We are Baptists" or "we are Mormons, or "We are Presbyterians."

And what does it mean "we are Protestants because we protest against the Catholic Church mean?  How can someone be a Protestant because.....  A Protestant is a Protestant because he is a Protestant.

Are you too shy to say "what is your demonination?

Annie


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Originally posted by AnnieTwo AnnieTwo wrote:

Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

Annie,

I checked with one of them and he told me they are Protestants. He said, "We are Protestants because we protest against the Catholic Church."

Is it right what the protestants do?

After hearing that, I feel as if the Protestants are something like a minority sect and are not the main stream Christians. Perhaps, you can throw some light on this.

BMZ

Anyway, I will go on Thursday.



Protestants are outnumbered by the Catholics.  That does not mean that Catholics are on "the right track.  That does not mean that Protestants are not "main stream Christians."  I think that the main thing that Protestants object to as far as Catholics are concerned is that the Protestants go strickly by what the Bible says and the Catholics go by what their Pope says.  Catholics, for instance, go beyond what the New Testament says about Mary.  Protestants do not do that.

If you got the response: "We are Protestants because we protest against the Catholic Church."

Then they are not being honest with you.  There is no reason whatsoever that they shouldn't have said:  "We are Baptists" or "we are Mormons, or "We are Presbyterians."

And what does it mean "we are Protestants because we protest against the Catholic Church mean?  How can someone be a Protestant because.....  A Protestant is a Protestant because he is a Protestant.

Are you too shy to say "what is your demonination?

Annie


Why do you Catholics and Protestants call each other the infidels or non-believers? Why did they torture and kill each other in the past in the name of Jesus? Why didn't you protest peacefully against each other?

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Dear Servie,

"My advice is that you find and move to a new flat straightaway.  Not for your sake, of course, but for the sake of your missionary neighbors:   "

 I have always loved my heighbours. Time to go up for my evening prayers and then I proceedeth to my neighbours. May God bless them. Amen.

 

Will report back asap.

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Annie,

I used to be a Sunni, a little bit Shia but now I am just a Muslim. I do not belong to any sect. Denomination-free now.

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Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

Annie,

I used to be a Sunni, a little bit Shia but now I am just a Muslim. I do not belong to any sect. Denomination-free now.



I identify myself as simply a Christian.  The Church of Messiah Jesus included all people who believe in him and we call ourselves Christians.  Which means that we follow the Christ.

However, Christians sometimes interpret the scriptures differently and some of these differences have led those of similar beliefs/interpretations to group together.  I don't see anything wrong with that.  Many denominations are governed differently.

I am sure that you have a few beliefs that some other Sunnis do not have and/or would disagree with, but you for the most part agree with the fundamentals.

Orthodox Christians agree on the fundamentals, whether Catholic or Protestant.

Unorthodox "Christians" would deviate with some of the fundamentals--some quite drastically.  I have read that there are some unorthodox Muslims who also deviate from Orthodox Muslims.  I don't know what category you would put them in.

Annie


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Thursday's Report:

It was a nice gathering full of holy men and holy women. The four Christian Mullahs sounded like Annie and George. Among the propective converts there was one like Fredi who was giving a tough time to the four Christian Mullahs.

Anyway, after the usual stuff, it was question time and I gave everyone a copy of my well-prepared questions and referred to Genesis 1:1-2 and asked them to explain, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters."

First, I was corrected on the word spirit in my question and we were told that it was the Spirit of God that hovered over the waters. I told them politely that I found the spirit of God written in the Jewish Bible.

I was told that the Spirit of God is very big and huge. Since the earth is so huge, imagine how big the Spirit of God was that it surrounded the entire globe to watch and that is how God is Omnipresent.

I then suggested: "Isn't easy to say that God watched and monitored the entire creation, instead of saying that the spirit or Spirit of God was hovering, which gives the impression as if God could not see himself? What was the reason of saying so in an ambiguous language? I have a body, I have a soul and I have my own eyes and I see things direct. Why could not God be able to see direct instead of God's spirit or Spirit doing so?

Secondly, God had already created the heavens and the earth, which means or confirms that the sun was already there.

Another speaker, who could not answer, said something strange and it sounds like coming from his Christian belief. He said,"Here is the first introduction to God the Father and God, the Holy Spirit working in tandem."

I told him that the Jews don't think so at all. They take it to mean that God created and watched.

It was then that our Fredi-like friend asked:"Where was Jesus at that point of time and what was he doing?" 

They have promised some more answers next week.

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Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

I was told that the Spirit of God is very big and huge. Since the earth is so huge, imagine how big the Spirit of God was that it surrounded the entire globe to watch and that is how God is Omnipresent.

what about the universe

Quote It was then that our Fredi-like friend asked:"Where was Jesus at that point of time and what was he doing?" 

lol!

what did you say to this?

~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

I was told that the Spirit of God is very big and huge. Since the earth is so huge, imagine how big the Spirit of God was that it surrounded the entire globe to watch and that is how God is Omnipresent.

what about the universe

Allah is the One who owns us fully and nothing happens in the universe except as a result of His will

Allah says in the Qur'an in Chapter Ya-Sin 

Verily when He (Allah) intends a thing it is only that He says to it - Be ! and it is!

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