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    Posted: 20 June 2006 at 3:22pm

I think you need to read again my message.

I am not saying that the communion does exist only for children to get presents.

I am saying that the children in the school where I was were doing this only for the presents. I wear to God (and remember we have the same One!) that one day, one girl told me that she did not even believe and they were all preparing for the communion.

I was shocked because I did believe in God and I knew about Christianity because we have an old lady who was like my grandmother who taught me until my mum explained that we are Muslims.

I started asking the children one by one, and I swear that they all told me they were doing it for the presents, none of them believed!!! They said they were going to catechism because their parents wanted so only! This is in France and you know there is a lot of atheism in Fracne, it has nothing to do with Spain or Italy, or the US there people are a lot more religious.

When I waas last year before university, we all have to study phylosophy. When the teacher was asking references to christianity, no one knew. No one knew what the tour of babel was, I was the one who answered! I love litterature and in litterature, there are lots of references judeo-christian, like Dostoievski for example. If you want to appreciate litterature and know what an author is talking about, even in paintings and art, you have to know the Bible.

I shall remind you that Muslims believe in the Bible.

here you go, I will let my brothers and sisters judge me. I would like to know what they think.

Salam

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Originally posted by Muslima Muslima wrote:

 This is in France and you know there is a lot of atheism in Fracne, it has nothing to do with Spain or Italy, or the US there people are a lot more religious.

France has had this problem for a very long time.  Not necessarily atheism as much as hypocrisy.  Atheism is more of a modern trend. 

My family, starting with Josias Merle in the early 1600s left France due to religious persecution.  They were Huguenots.  France has never been accepting of people who think differently. 

But, I should say, I thank the Catholics for their persecution or my family would have been beheaded in another 200 years. 

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I think your friend Patty got angry for nothing.

I have never insulted anyone's religion and my family has always been very open to anyone: Jewish, Christian or Jeovah witnesses, you name it.

I actually believe the Jeovah's witnesses are not that bad as they do not worship statues. I found quite a few things which made sense, but for me Islam is the only Truth.

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Originally posted by Muslima Muslima wrote:

I actually believe the Jeovah's witnesses are not that bad as they do not worship statues. I found quite a few things which made sense, but for me Islam is the only Truth.

Muslima,

Now, there you go.  That's why Patty is angry....that there is an insult because Catholic's do NOT worship statues.  If one does they are sinning...but Catholic's as a whole do not worship inanimate objects.

See, its not what your saying, its how you say it....

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I have already stated 3 times that idolatry is a MORTAL SIN.  That means if one commits a MORTAL SIN and dies with that sin on their soul, they are doomed to Hell for all eternity.  Other mortal sins include murder, abortion, homosexual acts, artificial birth control (natural family planning is permitted).....and a whole range of other sins.  The mortal sins are grievous or soul-damning sins!  If Muslima had studied in a Catholic school, this is one of the first things she would have learned.

So why would Muslima still enjoy stating that Catholics WORSHIP statues?  Beats me.

Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.
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Becasue from my point of view, they do worship statues. Especially the catholics. Those statues represent Jesus and they kneel in front of them to pray.

Maybe to catholics this is not worshiping but to Muslims, it is. From my point of view, this is worshiping. This is the reason why i am not a Catholic.

Also, they drink wine that represent the bllod of jesus (StafEllah!). For us, not only we cannot frink wine but we are not allowed to consume any blood! fake or symbolic!

For us, you also worship jesus, a Prophet among the Prophets (May Peace Be Upon Them All) by stating he is God or the son of God. STAFELLAH!STAFELLAH!SATEFELLAH!

Just mentioning this for me is a sin. Anyway, for us this is worshiping. We do not vene worship Muhammad (SAWS). We worship only Allah!

Any questions, ladies?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2006 at 2:54am
Originally posted by Muslima Muslima wrote:

Becasue from my point of view, they do worship statues. Especially the catholics. Those statues represent Jesus and they kneel in front of them to pray.

From your point of view and islam's BUT NOT to catholics. It is how Patty stated it. To say otherwise is wrong. And it is a difference between the two religions, like there is no communion and baptism in lslam.

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yes and i have no problem with this difference, thsi is why i am a Muslim.

But for me, I state that this is Idolatry and it is in Islam.

I do not see where the problem is when I precise what the muslim point of view on this practise is. For us, this is idolatry.

And this is the only think God does not forgive: we call it Shark Billeh. StafEllah!!!!



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