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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2006 at 11:14am

"No offense but this is a Muslim forum so I'd rather discuss issues about Muslims."

Of course you would.  Your bigotry is far too pronounced to allow you to converse with other "People of the Book".  So be it!

 

Patty

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Sister Muslima:

Muslims are to make no distinction between the Prophets of God(PBUT). To do so is a violation of God's Word:


2:285 The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

4:152 To those who believe in Allah and His apostles and make no distinction between any of the apostles, we shall soon give their (due) rewards: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.

And each period had a Book revealed by Allah(SWT):

13:38 We did send apostles before thee, and appointed for them wives and children: and it was never the part of an apostle to bring a sign except as Allah permitted (or commanded). For each period is a Book (revealed).

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Muslima Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2006 at 11:43am

Mishmish,

We do believe in all the Prophets sister, I am not denying that, but Muhammad is The Prophet of the Prophets. ResoulAllah! When you do the Shahada, this is Allah and His Prophet that you recognise, He is The First and The Last.

Of course Patty they are mortal, they are not divine but they have been chosen and that is why they are Prophets.

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Originally posted by Muslima Muslima wrote:

Dear Sister Herjihad!

Please sister do not commit a sin by saying it's Ok, please sister! Our Prophet Mushammed (SAWS) hads destroyed all the statues in Mecca. This is a sin sister! This is the biggest that Allah does not forgive! This is Shirk BIlleh!!

Whe they read what we say about worshipping statues, they change their argumentation. Sister, we are Muslims, do not be fooled!

This is dangerous sister! I know their religion very well. I sued to have to do their pray when i was small until my parents stopped me because an old lady taught me. This is Haram!!!!!

When you enter a church, the first thing you see is the statue of jesus in the centre. they kneel to it and sign themselves. StafEllah!!!! They say Jesus is the son of God!STAFELLAH! STAFELLAH!STAFELLAH!!!

Sister, if they had not changed the message of the Bible and change the words of Allah, Allah would not have given us the Holy Koran. We kept it in Arabic so that no one can modify the Message.

Please sister, this is not because someone is nice to you that you have to follow them in Shirk and say that this is OK...

Remember the sourate that says they have their religion and we have ours.

I say this because I care for you. the Shaytan comes to you very softly to make you commit a sin. He knows he cannot make you fail by big sins, so he will by small, and this lead to the biggest sin of all: ShirkBIlleh....

Salam sister

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Dear Sister Muslima,

Don't worry, sister.  Thinking is allowed.  You address two separate issues.   The one I spoke about is whether or not using a focal point to pray is considered shirk. 

Now, the people prayed to the statues of the Ka'aba.  This is clear to me from books I have read on the subject.  If a family's statue broke, they really thought that that god would no longer protect them and they couldn't worship it until they got another one. 

They also worshipped multiple gods.  Even Hinduism doesn't worship the statue, but the spirit of their gods that that statue embodies for them.  They believe that the multiple attributes of one god are exemplified through the statues and pray to the "baby god" for example, through it's statue.

Anyway, the above idea is different altogether from the second topic you raised, which is Who is God.  As Muslims we believe that Allah, The Most Powerful, would never be in human form or have human attributes, that He is neither male nor female, and has no beginning or ending.  They don't  believe this, and this is separate from the other issue, I believe.  I became a Muslim because Allah, The Truth, opened my heart to it.  The Quran appealed to me because it says that men and women are equal in piety before Allah and that Allah is neither male nor female. 

I personally do not like to think of anyone in hell except the most evil human beings.  And even then, Allah, The Most Merciful, is in charge of that, so I don't bother with worrying about it.

Thank you for caring about me.

Peace

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Originally posted by Muslima Muslima wrote:

Mishmish,

We do believe in all the Prophets sister, I am not denying that, but Muhammad is The Prophet of the Prophets. ResoulAllah! When you do the Shahada, this is Allah and His Prophet that you recognise, He is The First and The Last.

Of course Patty they are mortal, they are not divine but they have been chosen and that is why they are Prophets.

Sister,

By placing the Prophet Mohammed above other Prophets you are not following Allah's injunction in the Quran that Muslims do not distinguish between the Prophets in any way. All of the Prophets and Messengers of Allah(SWT) were chosen and special. They each had their own gifts from Allah(SWT). We can not place one over the other. To do so would be to start down the path that the Christians took with the Prophet Jesus(PBUH).

When I do shahada I recognise that there is only ONE Deity, and that is Allah(SWT) and that Mohammed is the last Messenger of Allah(SWT).  I DO NOT recognise The Prophet Mohammed as being more than the other Prophets or more than a man in any way.

The Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) was given the revelations from Allah(SWT) in the miracle of the Quran, that completed the religion, but that is not more than the Prophet Adam(PBUH) the first of mankind created by Allah from no man or woman, but the clay of the earth.  Or the Prophet Musa(PBUH) who spoke directly to Allah(SWT), or the Prophet Jesus(PBUH) who breathed life into a clay bird. All of the Prophets(PBUH) were just men who were made pure by Allah(SWT), then given His Word to show us proper guidance. There is no difference between them. And we are told by Allah(SWT) to make no difference between them.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ak_m_f Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2006 at 2:16pm
From today you will be known as Mishmish the wise one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mishmish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2006 at 2:19pm

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

From today you will be known as Mishmish the wise one.

Yeah, right!!!! 

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ZEA  J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2006 at 7:56pm

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

From today you will be known as Mishmish the wise one.

  i realized this long time ago

"You will never attain piety and righteousness,(and eventually paradise)until you
spend of that which you love."(Al-Imran:92)
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