To The Moderators

I love most of your posts, Megatron....but I don't quite agree with your opinion that most "religious people are stupid."  I just don't think being religious make you stupid.  Many atheists are stupid, in my humble opinion.  Jesuit priests attend college for 17 years.  They are deeply religious, but hardly stupid.  It isn't really fair to paint all people with a such a broad brush because they are religious and may disagree with some of your opinons.  For instance, whisper and I don't agree on much, well he doesn't agree with me on anything that I know of, but I don't think for a second that he is stupid....but I do believe he is religious.

It's not fair to put a dunce cap on a person and call them stupid just because they are devoted to their religion.  I do agree there are stupid people, but the fact that they are, or are not, religious has little to do with it.  (And, yep, I know I'm not the sharpest tack on the wall, but I do the best I can with what brain God gave me.)

Peace to You.

 

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

I am sure you would remember a Prophet (as) asking Allah swt that he wants to see Him. The answer was, you can not bear it but if this mountain can bear the 'tajaali' then you will, mountain was crushed and the Prophet (as) fell unconcious and started repenting as soon as he woke up.

Now some learned people of his nation ask the same question that we will not believe you untill we see Allah swt plainly. A lightening struck them and they were all dead.

Now another example a Prophet (as) asked Allah swt that please show me how You raise dead back to life. Allah swt asked, don't you have belief. Prophet (as) replied, i do have belief but i want to believe with certainity. So Allah swt told him to slaughter four birds and mix their parts up and then put then on four different hills. Then call them and the pieces all flew, joining right piece to right bird and came to him as original bird.

Followers of Isa (as) asked for a table of food to be brought down and they were granted

Now quraysh asked for any sort of miracle but were not granted it.

Allah swt says He has put every example in Holy Quran for people but humans are ever querlsome. Just take a look at these examples and think, ponder, why was it granted in few instances and not the other. It goes straight back to the complete knowledge of Allah swt. He knows who is asking out of sincerity and who is asking for sake of asking. Question the laws, for sure question em but in a manner suited to the Words of Allahs, with sincerity and hope of learning the truth behind them. Knowing that even though this moment you dont understand them, there is no way in world they wrong, its just your understanding which is falling short. Question them as a Prophet (as) questioned the resurrection to have certainity in your belief.

wassalam

Fatima said:>>>>>I am sure you would remember a Prophet (as) asking Allah swt that he wants to see Him. The answer was, you can not bear it but if this mountain can bear the 'tajaali' then you will, mountain was crushed and the Prophet (as) fell unconcious and started repenting as soon as he woke up. <<<<<<<

This Prophet is Moses

Fatima said:>>>>>Now another example a Prophet (as) asked Allah swt that please show me how You raise dead back to life. Allah swt asked, don't you have belief. Prophet (as) replied, i do have belief but i want to believe with certainity. So Allah swt told him to slaughter four birds and mix their parts up and then put then on four different hills. Then call them and the pieces all flew, joining right piece to right bird and came to him as original bird.<<<<<<<

This prophet you mentioned I believe is Abraham?

Fatima so basically from the end part of your message to me that my understanding is falling short because I question? Or is it because I question but fail to understand? Apparently you haven't read the thread I made in the General Discussion section a Philosopher IBN RUSHD whom you have mentioned here as one of your examples of notable scholars! IBN RUSHD even himself question the attributes of God similar to how I question them but all this discussion about God's knowledge is not the point.

I tend to think what I say even if I'm clear and descriptive you still run away with paragraphs of my words and use them to justify your position for whatever reason. The point here is that my faith in Islam dwindles not because of the Qur'an but mostly because of people. The fact that congregation is essential to Islam I cannot uphold this necessity if I do not feel a sense of brotherhood. Islam, as I have understood for 6 whole years is cultural specific and my original intent on converting to Islam was on the premise that it was not culturally specific although it is.

Call me "the devil in black" if you will but this lack of sensation in brotherhood has open up my eyes to a world of other things that I had originally jumped in without even considering them. I'd like to say that at the time of my conversion I was still grieving my mother. So perhaps I converted to Islam to feel in the hole from the loss of my mother. There are many variables in my life to why I converted. I never converted to Islam to have a deeper faith in God because my faith in God has always remained. I was always a believer in a single Artisan-even while I was a Baptist Christian.

Just because things were written in book doesn't mean that mistakes happen and I'm not saying that the Qur'an has any mistakes actually however humans are fallible beings. God is the absolute truth and I do not believe that God's knowledge can be contained in any book of human assimilation (Yes the Qur'an as it is written down on this earthly plane was assimilated by humans although its revelation was not). I'm no Arabic linguist so I'm in no position to critique it but more importantly I was saying that in the Qur'an God calls people to investigate, so this is what I'm doing. If you're a believer in God's will then you'd understand as well as agree that he even wills people to Islam and away Islam for a special purpose.

Perhaps he wills people for a specific time and wills them away for another reason. But hey, if we get into this discussion we'd have to talk about Freewill right? Well anyway my point is that faith in a divine revelation isn't always easy to maintain and I'm sorry that you moderators cannot understand that. It appears that most of you do not even have faith in me or even compassion for my struggles. Most of the sincere messages I receive are from non-muslims on this website! How sad, this behavior is evident and evidence for me as valid proof on why I truly struggle in Islam!

BTW I leave you with this quote from my thread said by the GREAT IMAM AVERROES:

and the more complete cognizance of the art in them is, the more complete cognizance of the Artisan-And if the Law (The Qur'an) has recommended and urged consideration of existing things then it is evident that what this name indicates is either obligatory or recommended by the Law

Edited by Israfil

Bismillah Arrahmaan Arraheem.

Assalaamualaikum Brother Israfil,

This is very difficult to explain to you, believe me.

You need explanation, we will give it Insha Allah to the best of our abilities... you need moral support, you will get plenty here... you need help to understand Islam better, everyone will be more than willing. But you know why people start shying away, it is because of your reaction brother. Brother please try to see things from our point of view. It appears you feel offended by what we say so we refrain from hurting you...YES, no one wants to hurt you. But I think you do not believe that.

I think, you do not have very supportive people around you wherever you live, hence you have developed these feelings. Islam IS about brotherhood. But we don't get to see it much...but if you really look around you will see it....even right here on this forum. So many people here are good to you, Iam talking about Muslims too. When things go wrong, sometimes we have to look at ourselves and question ourselves "am I doing something wrong that is taking away some people from me?" Sometimes, unknowingly, we give some signs to people.

It is ok to ask questions. Allah asked us to "ponder" over the Quran, not question its authenticity (as a muslim). As a muslim I will quote the Quran because they are Allah's words, better than anything in this world, but will you like it if I use words from the Quran? Why do some people get offended if we use Allah's words so often?

I hope you are understanding me. Brother, the way you want us to be more receptive to you, you too need to be more receptive to us. Sincere advice from this sister, please read more of the Quran (and ponder over it) and ask Allah for Hidayah. Try to forget the people who are of no help, there is no helper like Allah, there is no protector like Allah. May Allah guide us all.

Our duas are with you
Sincerely
Your sister in Deen.


Edited by amah