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"...of the 41 we identified the names...for 38...we were shocked to find that only 8 were Islamic Fundamentalists...all were born in Lebanon..."
A brief methodological question is in order. Since it is possible to be a socialist (and other group involvement/s) and a fundimentalist at the same time, how did you exclude those identified as those ideologies from also being fundimentalists (given that the term itself is somewhat ambiguous)? Did you simply ignore the substantially Islamist indoctrination that all known suicide bombers received as a possible motivation? While I certainly wouldn't deny that secular nationalist goals have an important role in their decision making, I disagree at least with the strength of your brother's conclusions. My own pet notion (not supported by a lot of formal data) is that the indoctrination team induces and exaggerates guilt over their past (which might include secular or aetheistic political involvement) in order to devalue the life he/she would have led, and toward the false 'glory' of the shahid. That is consistent with what I have seen from the revelations of captured/prevented suicide bombers. |
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Cassandra
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"And the Beat Goes On..........."
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Andrea
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Patty, Sorry to disagree with you but I read nothing anywhere close to what you read into this article. This article was neither condoning or trying to make suicide bombings ok. In fact I think it was trying to do the exact opposite. Rule #1 of war is to understand your enemy. Rule #2 of war (according to me...;)) is not to even get into a war. That is how you win wars...lol. In any case, the only way to "win" the war is to ensure that both sides win. What do we want? We want the suicide bombings to stop. What do the suicide bombers want? For us to quit occupying their land. I say, we leave and they stop. Win win. However, the policy to not negotiate with terrorists is not working. As stated on the article (and by mere observation of what is going on in the world) it is making things worse. What business do we have to be occupying their land? How would you feel if I came into your house and told you what to do, and in the case of Israel and Palestine, how would you feel if I moved into your your house and told you to live in the basement? and then went ahead and took over your basement too and made you live in your bathroom? That is what Israel did to Palestinians.... they relegated them to the Gaza strip which is the least desirable piece of land in the area (the comments made in blue were told to me by a Palestinian friend... if they are misinformed in any way, pls feel free to correct me). I think it is foolish to read basic research that gives you honest facts and totally dismiss it. I think it is even more foolish for someone to give you information that will help you win (i.e. stop the killings) and then completely dismiss it. Sorry sister Patty but I read no hatred or condoning of terrorism in the article I only saw someone trying to help by providing insight into the problem AND recommendations that will help end the terrorism in a way that is beneficial for both the people of the area (they get peace) and the people of America (they get their oil...) |
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Whisper
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Madam, please read my post, I addressed you as the most revered Hate Shouter not as Hater. It's not my personality, but something that fakes bring out in me. Kindly read the posts in the threads properly before peddling some irrelevant links. This thread is about: Researching my book, which covered all 462 suicide bombings around the globe, I had colleagues scour Lebanese sources to collect martyr videos, pictures and testimonials and biographies of the Hizbollah bombers. Of the 41, we identified the names, birth places and other personal data for 38. We were shocked to find that only eight were Islamic fundamentalists; 27 were from leftist political groups such as the Lebanese Communist Party and the Arab Socialist Union; three were Christians, including a female secondary school teacher with a college degree. All were born in Lebanon. If you have any problem with the contents, construction or the meanings of this article, kindly, address your concerns to Prof Robert Pape at the University of Chicago instead of levelling your sermons at me. Edited by Whisper |
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Patty
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I don't want or expect anything from you "whisper". You are somewhat of a god to many here, but I see you as I see everyone else....just another human being. You call me a "hater"? What a joke! I don't hate anyone....not you, not anyone. Can you say the same with an honest heart? I could do without your unfunny sarcasm, but, hey, that's your personality....so have at it. Oh, I know how to read English quite well, and some other languages as well. I'm just sick of YOUR constant bashing and hatred....but many hear seem to enjoy it, so I guess it only adds to your popularity. I have remained quiet while you ranted many times --- out of respect and a request to do so from a dear friend. I don't give a rat's patoot what you say about me....I'm numb you see, not much can hurt me anymore. However, for those interested, here's an article of interest. http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/srilanka/feature2. html |
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Patty
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Servetus
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[tongue-in-cheek mode on]
Gee, is research demonstrating that there is a correlation between suicide bombing and foreign military occupation? Until now, I thought that all suicide bombers were Muslims and that Muslims were just sort of a race apart, with something amiss in their religio-genetic structure that makes them want to blow themselves and others up. Science, even arguable science, is amazing! Serv
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