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ejdavid
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Shery
I understand your English better then you understand mine, so I must be more carefull. I agree Judaism (Orthodox, not Reform) is closer to Islam then Christianity. Christianity does not have divine law, other then the ten commandments. Accordingly, we adjust laws to accomodate the times. For instance, we no longer need to call witnesses to determinge who raped an underage girl. We use DNA. I think Sharia Law requires four male Muslim wittnesses. Perhaps under Sharia Law DNA counts the same as four Muslim witnesses if a Muslim does the test?? Can you find that out for me? Incidentally, you have an interesting script in your posts. Is somesthing like Hindi? |
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Servetus
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As a side note, could you please provide a source? I do know that this is commonly asserted, or thought, but you might be interested to review this page, by the competent Roger Pearse, wherein, as I understand, he largely deconstructs the notion that the pivotal Council of Nicea involved itself with selecting the books of the canon, or New Testament. Thanks. Serv Ref: http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html Edited by Servetus |
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Shery
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Script is in arabic and from koran so please dont mock as long as I m respecting you and answering you all your questions ,, There s a verses when Prophet noah said to his people : Surah Hud verses 38 to 49 I hope you would learn something from this verses and your english is difficult cuz you chose to make it difficult I m positive you can make it easier for me and clarify what you want for me
38. Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the chiefs of his people passed by him, they threw ridicule on him. He said: "If ye ridicule us now, we (in our turn) can look down on you with ridicule likewise! 39. "But soon will ye know who it is on whom will descend a penalty that will cover them with shame,- on whom will be unloosed a penalty lasting:" 40. At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth,- and the Believers." but only a few believed with him. 41. So he said: "Embark ye on the Ark, In the name of Allah, whether it move or be at rest! For my Lord is, be sure, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful!" 42. So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!" 43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood. 44. Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!" 45. And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!" 46. He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!" 47. Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!" 48. The word came: "O Noah! Come down (from the Ark) with peace from Us, and blessing on thee and on some of the peoples (who will spring) from those with thee: but (there will be other) peoples to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end will a grievous penalty reach them from Us." 49. Such are some of the stories of the unseen, which We have revealed unto thee: before this, neither thou nor thy people knew them. So persevere patiently: for the End is for those who are righteous. ------- About the DNA Atcually what you dont understand that when 4 witness would wintness that a woman and men slept together that would lead them for flog and the 4 wintness in the condition of fornication ,,, According to the DNA subject I will copy and paste some articles I have google and I did read and I like them and I would like you to read them too AS I believe that I m not qualified to answer from my head because i m not that educated in quoran ... Origin of man in Islam: Creation or Evolution ISLAM EVOLUTION CREATION The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth. The Quran does not say when this happened. Also the Quran does not say whether Adam & Eve were physically transported from Heaven to Earth, or just their souls were put into the already living homo sapiens. Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them: (Quran 39.42) It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect. So, according to the Quran, humans can be alive, breathing, with fully functional bodies (hence perfect DNA), but still without souls. Homo sapiens had the same bodies and DNA as humans, but what about their souls? Were the souls of the first humans (Adam & Eve) put into those evolved homo sapiens? To answer this question, we need more information about souls and spirits. But Allah clearly bans all information about souls and spirits: (Quran 17.85) And they ask you about the Spirit, say: "The Spirit concerns only my Lord: The knowledge of which only a little is communicated to you" So all the information that will answer whether or not the souls of the first humans were put into homo sapiens, is banned. Muslims don�t venture into this topic simply because God ordered them not to. However, this is not the case concerning animals. The Quran agrees with science that all life started in water, and not on dry land: (Quran 24.45) And Allah has created every animal from water; of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills: for verily Allah has power over all things. So the Quran agrees with science on the evolution of animals. But for humans, the Quran stops short of answering whether it was transportation from heaven or just homo sapiens with human souls. DNA research point to the later scenario; but why couldn�t God use for Adam & Eve the same DNA as homo sapiens? Isn�t this DNA of His own creation in the first place? And how difficult is it to copy? |
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ejdavid
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Shery - Thanks for all the work!
My difficult writing? My job 25 years: write for educated English. I do not make hard on purpose. This paragraph is best can do. Took five times long then first time. My appologies.... but is good thing try. Last words take three minutes choose. First write: "In fact, it was a good litterary exercise!" Those words in brain before typing. As for DNA. You know Sharia Experts? Maybe you ask does DNA meets Sharia requirement for evidence? Thank you for your help! I ALMOST wrote "Thank you for your assistance!". |
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Dear Hanan your words means a lot to me and from people religious as you , and I was very much impressed of what you write about prophet mohamed and many other religious issue I feel so proud to hear from you that I m educated person I consider you and the people here are very educated and I m very proud that there s muslims educated as you .( mashallah ) and I m very proud that you are welcoming me here hamdulilah Dont worry I have met worse than this guy on internet I fight anyone against islam and against Arab in general even if I hated the way that our leaders are ruling our countries that wouldnt makes me turn against them , cuz I wont let ( the plotters ) reach their aims Inshallah I will try to write things ( i hope it interest everyone and be also beneficial for everyone) inshallah
Salam alikom wa rahmet allah. |
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More information about Fr james schall attached with a picture
Father Schall is a Professor in the Department of Government at Georgetown University. He is the author of numerous books, including: Another Sort of Learning (Ignatius Press, 1988); At the Limits of Political Philosophy (Catholic University of America Press, 1996); Reason, Revelation, and the Foundations of Political Philosophy (LSU Press, 1987); Idylls and Rambles (Ignatius Press, 1994); and Schall on Chesterton: Timely Essays on Timeless Paradoxes (Catholic University of America Press, 2000).
ISI Books James V. Schall, S. J. Georgetown University, DC, 20057-1200 www.moreC.com/schall � 28 February 2003 BELLOC ON THE �APPARENTLY UNCONVERTIBLE� RELIGION �Islam is apparently unconvertible. The missionary efforts made by great Catholic orders which have been occupied in trying to turn Mohammedans into Christians for nearly 400 years have everywhere wholly failed. We have in some places driven the Mohammedan master out and freed his Christian subjects from Mohammedan control, but we have had hardly any effect in converting individual Mohammedans....� � Hilaire Belloc, The Great Heresies, 1938.1 �Muhammad�s monotheism began, no doubt, as a rejection of paganism; yet it was highly positive. It was, as he never ceased repeating, the monotheism of Israel. The god of Islam was Yahweh, without those truths about Him revealed by Christ. ... The Qur�~n denies the Incarnation: �God is one, eternal. He did not beget and was unbegotten� (Qur�~n, 112.3). For Muhammad there was no redeemer, no need for redemption, no original sin.� � J. Kritzeck/C. Wilde, �Islam,� New Catholic Encyclopedia (2d Edition, 2003), V. 7, 608. �But there is no hiding the fact that bin Laden, his lieutenants, and his foot soldiers have repeatedly stated their aim to impose their values of Islam on, first, the Muslim world and, then, the rest of the world. They want each country to accept or be forced into submission to their version of Islamic Shari�a law.... Their public statements, their strategy and recruitment, the notes and prayers left by the airplane hijackers, all show a deep religious commitment. They do not lament inequality; decry poverty, or call for democracy. They do not rant about globalization or consumerism or capitalism. They explicitly name and target Christianity, Judaism, and moderate Islam. By all means let us call this inauthentic religion, perverted religion, hijacked religion. But, at the cost of blinding ourselves, let us never forget that it is religion.� �
Let me give you also some information about george town university and the American gov
February 8, 2005 Renowned professor and author Fr. James V. Schall, S.J., delivered a lecture entitled "Liberal Learning"on February 7 at Christendom College as part of the College's Major Speakers Program. Fr. Schall, a member of the California Province of the Society of Jesus and a professor of political theory at Georgetown University, began his lecture by explaining what is "liberal" about liberal learning or liberal education. Edited by Shery |
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