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Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

I don't think she knew your mother was dead.  You come off like a redneck everytime you open your mouth.  You cannot bash Bush in one sentence and support the war in another.  You really aren't in the middle.  You're right of center. 

I will pick sides against my home if my home is doing wrong.  When we were growing up, do you remember what we were taught about Russians?  Or are you not old enough?  Well let me tell you what they were taught about us?  The EXACT same stuff.   And guess what, that battle was won not by might, or wars, or anything other than the CCCP was doomed to failure on its own accord. 

The US needs to learn to sit down, shut up and mind its own business.  I love American, but right now, I'm really considering that.  If we legalize torture and strip Americans and non Americans of the basic human rights, are we any better than the Taliban or the Gestapo?  No. 

Hanan statement was rude and crude too...but you've been at it alot longer.  And where she attacked by implying your family were dirty alcoholics, you implied murder.  I do see a difference there.

I don't really care if she knew or not so that is beside the point. I have said many times I support the war in Afghanistan but not the one in Iraq so again yes I can support a war but not the president.

If we were to sit down and stay away from everyone we would be seen as people who don't care so either way we doomed to having people hate us.

Maybe you didn't see the thread where me and her met, oh you couldn't have because it was a personal message attacking me. Yep never knew her before that attack so if that would not of happened maybe I would be a bit more kind to her.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

I understand but from my viewpoint Bush is part of those elites that you speak about. Have you ever followed the Bush family history? It leads all the way back to royality and nothing good ever came from royality.

The word is Royalty, not royality. Obviously, YOU haven�t followed the Bush family history, not that there�s much to follow. The term �Royalty� cannot be attached to the names of Americans. Royalty exists only outside of the continental US. I shouldn�t even have to explain this to you, because as you know, only poor and disadvantaged people came from Europe to settle here, and Royalty was certainly not among them.

If, on the other hand, you meant to say that the Bushies consider themselves to be a dynasty, then you should read �American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush� by Kevin Phillips

www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm

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.... in examining two Bush presidencies and the family's four-generation pursuit of national prominence and power - and in doing so through a lens that highlighted elite associations, dynastic ambitions, and recurring financial and business practices - I found a greater basis for dismay and disillusionment than I had imagined. The result is an unusual and unflattering portrait of a great family (great in power, not morality) that has built a base over the course of the twentieth century in the back corridors of the new military-industrial complex and in close association with the growing intelligence and national security establishments. In doing so, the Bushes have threaded their way through damning political, banking, and armanents scandals and, since the 1980s, controversies like the October Surprise, Iran-Contra, and Iraqgate imbroglios, which in another climate or a different time might have led to impeachment.

I am not talking about ordinary lack of business ethics or financial corruption. During the late twentieth century, several other presidents and their families displayed these shortcomings, and the public has become understandably blase. Four generations of building toward dynasty, however, have infused the Bush family's hunger for power and practices of crony capitalism with a moral arrogance and backstage disregard of the democratic and republican traditions of the U.S. government. As we will see, four generations of involvement with clandestine arms deals and European and Middle Eastern rogue banks will do that.

Were history to posit a "Bush era," lasting from George H. W. Bush's triumph in 1988 through 2008, the two family presidencies might well define the entire two decades, turning the Clinton years into the political equivalent of sandwich filler. On the other hand, were Senator Hillary Clinton to achieve in 2008 a second restoration, this one Clintonian, public perception might well lurch toward some American equivalent of the fifteenth-century Wars of the Roses, during which the English Crown was contested by the houses of York and Lancaster. ....

When Nixon, in turn, won the presidency in 1968, he would treat George H. W. Bush, a first-term congressman, as befit the son of Prescott Bush. The younger Bush had also been commended to Nixon by former Republican presidential nominee Thomas E. Dewey, probably the one man most responsible for convincing Dwight Eisenhower to take Nixon as his running mate back in 1952. Thus did the Nixon administration become the all-important career elevator for the little-known U.S. representative from Houston.

Eastern patricians, even the oil-stained variety, were rare in the Nixon entourage�and for that matter, rare in national Republican elective politics. Nixon wore them as badges of social acceptance; he had taken one, former U.S. senator Henry Cabot Lodge of Massachusetts, as his vice presidential running mate in 1960. Eight years later, he let the name of George H. W. Bush make the vice presidential rumor mills, less because of any possible appeal Bush might have in Texas than for the socioeconomic reassurance he would offer to New York and Connecticut Republican donors and Ivy League clubland.

Appointments to the United Nations (1970) and the Republican National Committee (1973) brought Bush cabinet and Nixon-inner-circle status, maintaining the Washington visibility critical to his future. Nixon valued Bush's family connections, gung ho spirit, personal likability, and social outreach. Similar considerations helped to guide President Ford�s 1975 selection of him to head the CIA, a famous repository of Yale alumni. Bush wanted to be�and perhaps was - taken as qualified for the cabinet in the unelected, bred-to-it manner of a Curzon, Cecil, or Lansdowne in Edwardian England.

This, to be sure, is getting ahead of our story. What made it possible to consider Bush for vice president in 1968, almost out of the blue, was that some fifty years earlier, his two grandfathers - George Herbert Walker, a well-connected St. Louis financier, and Samuel Prescott Bush, a wealthy Ohio railroad equipment manufacturer - had managed to implant themselves and their descendants in the eastern establishment. This helped Prescott Bush get ahead, much as later connections helped George H. W. and George W.

To tell their tale, American Dynasty unfolds like this: Chapter 1 introduces the Bushes as our "not-quite-royal family." I�m not being facetious here.

NOTE: The Bush royal connections documented in Burke's Peerage and elsewhere have nourished the self-image of both chief executives. However, the real founding father of the Bush clan was not a Bush, but a Walker - George H. Walker, for whom both the forty-first and forty-third presidents are named.

If, after reading the above recommended book, you still insist that the bushies are royalty then it will warm your heart to read the following quote by your Queen-Mother regarding the goings-on in Iraq:

"But why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" - Barbara Bush on "Good Morning America," 3/18/2003

 

Believe it or not i own this book and since you have posted this I will check it out and get back with you.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

He knows that I wasn't talking about his dead mother. Southern country folk call their WIVES momma. How do I know that he is Southern? He made a post the other day in which he refered to an event on TV at a certain time of the day and that's when I knew where he was from.

 

I said Central Time did I not? Could you check a map of time zones and tell me if there are any states in central time zone that is not in the south. I bet I could name a few, including the one I live in. So again you ASSumed something about me and were wrong, again!!!

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

You know Hanan.  I've always found that a strange and disgusting practice to call your wife Momma or your husband Papa.  Its all to Ozarkian for me.

I live even more to the South and they all call each other momma and papa. At first I often wondered about the age difference until I realized that they weren't mother/son or father/daughter ...  

I don't call my wife momma so if I said it on here I was being sarcastic.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

Do you remember when I posted the picture of the dead Lebanese baby and a mod promptly deleted it? Where are the mods now? I am sick of the obvious bias - this guy can write about burning me in the death camp crematorium and he�s still here? Maybe I should post another �offending to the gentle heart of Angels� photo to make one of them pay attention.

Hanan,

There's the report button at the top of the screen and when all else fails, send the link to Amah, Peacemaker, Andalus or BMZ.  That's all I did with the picture.  They don't pay attention to every thread, sometimes you just need to bring it to their attention.  Its not always an issue of bias, its usually an issue of inattention. 

Send a PM to one of the moderators.  I think he's out of line too.

But, have you ever heard the old saying, two wrongs don't make a right?  

 

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