FAO: Fatima (Islam Questions)

Rational Mind wrote: OK, with respect to battle of badar and the angels... Allah in the Qu'ran states, in verses: 3.124, 126 that 3000 angels helped the Muslims, in the Battle of badar and then later in the Qu'ran Allah contradict this and makes a cartographic mathematical error in verses 8.9, 10 by stating that it was 1000 angels that helped the Muslims in the battle of badar therefore Allah makes a contradiction. A prefect god doesn't make contradictions.

I remember reading Muhammad Haikal "Biography of Muhammad" in which it states that the first battle was the battle of Badr. The 2nd battle was a year later known as the battle of Uhud.

In the battle of Badr the number of muslims were 300 facing 1000 quraish. In the battle of Uhud it was 1000 against 3000.

The number of Angels mentioned here seem corresponding with the number of the quraish in two different battles, 1000 and 3000.

RM you need to check these numbers first in the khadith or history books, as I type this of memory. Maybe other posters can help as well if these numbers are correct.

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

No offense intended but have you ever tried to explore outside your "great rational mind". You said you denounced a religion because it had errors in it, errors to you mayb, Who is a 14 year old kid. If you ever read the work of any scholar who is knowledgeable in the language and history of Holy Quran, they would tell you that 'I will assist you with a thousand of the angels following one another', means thousand angels following with thousand other angels. And if you really have read the history of badr you would know that kurz was going to send his armies to reinforce the loosing idolators. Muslims were worried about it and Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala told them that He would help them with successive ranks of angels. Later on armies of kurz did not come and battle was over after the first big fight and there was no need for more armies, human or angels.

By the way which website did you find these examples from, those people are doing a good job of corrupting "innocent minds". convey my congrats to them will ya. And please dont say that you found this "error" reading yourself cos a reader who is not reading any explanation can never know of the verse 3:124 to be of badr because the topic is of uhud in that surah. Only people who know every style and punctuation could tell a change happening and those people are majority of times the ones writing tafsir.

You mentioned in the other thread that why Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala would send some verses and then abrogate them later on. If you get out of this shel of doubt, you would see that there was a wisdom behind each and every matter. I will start with praying at night, first it was ordained on muslims to pray for major part of night. Reason behind that was that it helps build patience, awareness of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and yourself. Later on it was abrogated because the base was formed. Now second example is that of fighting, muslims were asked to be patient against brutality of idolators (Do you get the wisdom and mercy of Most Wise and Most Merciful in first example). In Makkah they were few and if they fought, they might have been killed but when they went to Madinah and formed a strong community then they were told to fight those who fight them. Because if you dont have resources to protect yourself then you see the example of afghanistan and iraq. If you want i will inshaAllah carry on explaining till you are satisfied.

About Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala being Most Merciful, yes He is but His judgement does not get effected by His Mercy. He is our Lord, who has complete and perfect balance in each of His attributes. If you have really read Holy Quran, you would know how many places He is Merciful gets followed up by He is most exact in retribution. Why do you close your eyes to things you dont want to see?

Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala does not create those people deaf and dumb, their own self takes them where Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala puts a seal on their hearts because of their arrogance. When a human, seeing that almost nothing is in his control still boasts about his intelligence and thinks that He knows better then that person needs to be shown his true reality. Humans can not fully find cures for majority of disease, can not do other than harm to its surrounding and still have stupidity of standing against the creator, then you know they deserve all that they get.

So you believe we evolved! evolved from what exactly?

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

The Holy Quran is easy to understand in its general sense, but the detailed matters which do not deal with laws of daily life are the ones to be concluded. In so many places Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says that it is easy to understand for people of wisdom. Another place it is said that it is rahmah for few and trial for others. You really think that stories written in Holy Quran are like found any where else? Holy Quran has an elequence about it which can never be forged.

About abrogation, i will break it bite size for you. Why do you think that a kid is taught letters before the words, So it be easy for them. Same way Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala brought the first laws to train for the real thing and latter on those laws were not needed. Have you still got your primary books, no because you have learnt from it what was necessary. References inshaAllah i will try to give next time, previous post, the explanation of the verse is from tafsir ibn kathir and 'the life of Prophet Muhammad' by ibn kathir for battle of badr.

You said 'Well that is understandable, however when Mohammed said about the famous verses which allowed the worship of the daughters of Allah (Pagan goddesses) why did Allah abrogate those verses later? Who is more powerful the Shytaan or Allah? Furthermore, why would Allah allow that in the first place? Seems strange'.  Wow wow wow Wow, what???????????? where on earth did you get this from?

You wrote, 'So if you don�t get your way you should start killing others? NO, but as a nation you have to have a strong defence to survive. Now safiya (ra) was not married and because of her marriage to Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam, sahabah (ra) let all of her tribesmen go. Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam having more than four wives has hikmah behind each case. There were old pagan traditions which required breaking and He acted upon Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala's instructions. For example marrying ex-wife of his adopted son, marrying the lady sent as a gift, marrying a captive, and marrying daughter of brother like best friend. (The life of Prophet Muhammad by ibn kathir)

you wrote, 'Furthermore, in Islam a woman can be sentenced to death if her husbanded accuses her of adultery even without 4 witnesses.' Who told you that? There are verses in Holy Quran which deals with this specific topic. InshaAllah i will try to find them but i will tell you summary of what they say. It is said that if a man accuses her wife of adultery and she denies, he should bring forth his witnesses, if he can not do this. Then both of them should swear that they are right and invoke curse of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala upon the one who is lying. After this they dont have no relationship, their marriage breaks. Also keep in mind that One of seven major sins is accusing a chaste women of any thing like this. So Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala makes sure that there are strict moral bindings with things like this.

Another thing, a woman can also file similar sort of claim and has to bring her witnesses and if proven right, the man would be stoned to death. Rule of paying blood money is same for men and women, if a man can escape death sentence so could a women.

As a guy what would you hate most for it to happen to your family? being made slaves to your enemies, right? Look you need to stop giving so much importance to human race and us people. Purpose of us being here is recognizing our Lord, obeying Him, worshipping Him. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala's laws are to be inforced in this world. For that purpose a true muslim leader needs to be in place. So muslim armies go out, giving option to accept islam, surrender, save their families or fight and have their families taken as captives. Yes Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala wants us to know of the punishments and consequences so we know its law of our Lord not some one ordinary.

The marriage of Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam to ayisha (ra) is talk of the town among the critics and has always been. Because us muslims feel shy about it and are afraid to explain it. You need to know that islam encourages parents to get their kids married early because humans have natural desires. So puberty will be the age, some girls attain puberty at age of 9 or 10. It was a very common thing a girl of this age getting married at that time. Tell you one thing, my grams got married when she was 10 that too with slightly older man. But that is not all, there is a bigger hikmah behind this marriage.

Abubakr (ra) was taken as a brother of Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam due to their closeness. It was to state that relations which prohibit marriage are only through birth or suckling. Second reason which is a major one is Ayisha (ra)'s contribution towards islamic knowledge. She is third biggest narrator of ahadith, majority of fatwas of deen relating women and quite alot general ones are taken from her, she was very inquisitive so she would ask Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alaihe wassalam all the reasons and explanation behind an ayah and ruling. The other wives were older and had a respect barrier with the Prophet but her ways and behaviour is a guidline for the beautifull and polite relation of husband and wife.

Look you can not blame the whole religion for doings of one person. I am sure this lady is very nice but if she was totaly sincere she would tell you to not forsake your Lord because of your father. She would not tell you to eat because you give food up for Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala not for your dad. But again maybe she is doing what she thinks is best for you.

Evolution? really, you do know that it was just a theory to start with which never got proven. One simple example, evolution rubbish says that each survival instinct is learnt individually and then passed on. if that was the case there would not have been no ants, bees and many other species. Ants have a division of labour amongst them, few cutting the leaves, few carrying those, few collecting food, few making the nest, few doing other things, i cant even remember. If they had to learn one survival instinct at a time, they themselves would have been extinct. Check harun yahya's stuff, he shreads it into pieces and you know it for what it is.

Rational Mind wrote: No offense intended but have you ever tried to explore outside your "great rational mind". Yes I have, I have looked at everything rationally, and logically.

I doubt you know what critical thinking is. So far, your responses and charges have been disappointing.