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To Ibn Muslim,

I don't think anyone can say their house is clean with the state of the Ummah today.  How can you state that time needs to be spent arguing for civil rights when we can't respect women and people of color in Islam?

No one in Congress can fight for a clearly divided and polarized community that can not accept any difference in opinion.

Patient "Heal Thyself!"

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Sis-Q Peace-

malcolm x once said that a nation can be judged by a morality of its women (if the woman are good the nation is good, etc).

the muslim nation (ummah) could use a lot more sisters like you.

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Sis Ummah-

Once again-everyone agrees that there are problems-but to the majority of American Muslims, there are priorities-

maybe most Muslim women in America do not feel "exactly" the same way that you feel.

maybe they have loving brothers, fathers, and are treated well at their masajid.

maybe they are happy with their role/or have no confusion in their role in society. their are many successful muslim women in law, medicine and business, who feel more discrimination as women and muslim in society than they do at home.

 

Not everyone has had your experiences. Maybe your house is dirtier than others-that is all Im saying.

gotta go-

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Originally posted by ibn muslim ibn muslim wrote:

 Maybe your house is dirtier than others-that is all Im saying.

gotta go-

AA

I doubt that.  Maybe yours is falsely covered in bleach.

You can not speak for all Muslim women, who clearly do not have a true voice in the community.  They are being oppressed, financially primarily among other ways into being silent.

No, this community is not clean.  And we need to make that a priority as that is our foundation.  And as our foundation is not strong, that is what makes our entire house fall down.

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Well..I dont know about that one ..I'm a BROTHER!!  Just to answer the sister when she acts "what if the AA women DONT respect the men?"  See her stance?  First of all, run on down to your local battered woman shelters and see how many AA muslim women are there.  Then go to ALL of them in your city and jot down the ratio of muslim women period.  I dont beat women, so if you didnt respect me, I'd end whatever relationship there was is all AND take care of my responsibility.  Islam isn't hard.   But also know if a women is bold enough to step to me the wrong way, I'd deal with that too!  It's that simple.  I'll let you get the last word as this is an old and immature topic and not worth too much more of my time.  Do whatever pleases you...Allah is Free of All wants, Worty of all Praise. 
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Originally posted by qpeace1 qpeace1 wrote:

But also know if a women is bold enough to step to me the wrong way, I'd deal with that too! 

So just how would you deal with it?

Please, how would you deal with it, even if she stepped up to you the wrong way, how would you deal with it? 

Would it be Islamic, based on your tone?

 

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It depends.  A womans place is not in the face (face to face) of a man especially her husband.  My wife and I disagree ..so what? But she doesn't disrespect me in the process.  I'm a man worthy of respect (as are all human beings)  So why would you even ask "What is she did this or that?"  See your confrontation angle?  We get along..it's worth it in the end.  They used to SALE black ppl like dogs.  So then, we can't disagree with respect, then apologize and continue our struggle in life together?  Again, you have your world and the people you surround yourself with...I have mine.  Muslims have enough problems...BUT Allah is the Best of Planners

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Originally posted by qpeace1 qpeace1 wrote:

It depends.  A womans place is not in the face (face to face) of a man especially her husband.  My wife and I disagree ..so what? But she doesn't disrespect me in the process.  I'm a man worthy of respect (as are all human beings)  So why would you even ask "What is she did this or that?"  See your confrontation angle?  We get along..it's worth it in the end. 

I am not trying to be confrotational.  But your respect sounds more like ego.  So what if she got in your face, so what if she made you lose what you believe to be respect.  Would she or any other woman be deserving of abuse?  I don't think so.

There is such thing as protecting yourself should she or any sister attempted to physically hurt you.  That is just self-defense.  But when a sister "disrespects" you, and that is depending on your definition of respect, you can react incorrectly.  Because the only thing that could be hurt is your pride i.e. ego.  And that is still no reason to hit a woman.

InshaAllah you are not a brother like that.  I don't think so.  But when are brothers are so ruled by egos and false pride and respect, they can begin to think they have the priviledge to put a woman in her place.  Only Allah is the punisher.

 

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