Slavery

Hey sgeorge5:
You have gall to bring this subject up in such accusatory fashion that it is not worth debating.
You have jumped all over the map with your story from Quran to Pakistan and on to Sudan, Algeria etc ( the former European colonies) as if they had a some magic wand to restore  the colonial plantations and people in bondage into developed countries. They are not as free as you think, rather they are new territories and bases of the neocolonialists. You will be better off with The Prince instead of asking about what the Qur'aan's record on the subject.

God would not burden the believer with unwise edicts.

 They were slaves cuz if they were uneducated and unskilled, it would be a disaster to let these guys go about and survive in the society without any sources of livelihood within a non industrial economy.

It will be worth discussing after the elimination of utter poverty, drugs, prostitution and violence black on black particularly the female in so called freed slaves subsisting in the US ghettos.

 I would agree with Wulfsburg's POV  on this thread.

As long as the man is around the slavery can never end, it can mutate into different forms and levels according to the nature of the people and their economies.
It is all relative, the world is based on the master and slave principle, no machine works without the master and slave gears.

Before I sign off you need to know  Prophet Muhammad' slave Zayd's ransom scenario:

When Harithah got a message from his son Zayd he  at once set off for Mecca with his brother,  Ka'b: and going to ,Muhammad they begged him to allow them to ransom Zayd, for as high a price as he might ask. "Let him choose," said Muhammad, "and if he choose you, he is yours without ransom:and if he choose me, i am not the man to set any other above him who chooseth me." Then he called Zayd and asked him if he knew the two men."This is my father," said the youth,"and this is mine uncle." "Me thou knowest," said Muhammad, "and thou hast seen my companionship unto thee, so choose thou between me and them." But Zayd's choice was already made and he said at once," I would not choose any man in preference to thee. Thou art unto me as my father and my mother." "Out upon thee, O Zayd!" exclaimed the men of Kalb. "Wilt  thou choose slavery above freedom, and above thy father and thine uncle and thy family?"" It is even so," said Zayd, "For I have seen from this man such things i could never choose another above him."
    Now you can have some idea what is the nature of all this you would like to discuss and make your own proposals.
For Patty:
The nature of American black slavery would not fall in the form and category being discussed in this thread cuz the American slave owners bred & kept their slaves at subhuman level which was no less than a crime against humanity.

And then the industrial north could always use dirt cheap labor in their factories.

Now the factories moved to China for resident cheap slave like labor so the Americans consumer can  get  all their goodies but cheap at Walmarts and other such depots. The US investor makes his profits and the buyer is happy with the lo cost.
Don't tell me that two bits an hour and child labor are not slavery which produce widgets for the USA's gluttonous consumers. The  American consumer is as guilty as the slave drivers in perpetuating this human abuse process whether you recognize it or not, it almost falls in the rendition class of human abuse by Uncle Sam you ask me


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Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

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Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

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Hey, let�s get one thing straight.  I do not hate Muslims.  Islam is one of the major religions of the world and has done a great deal of good.  If the world practiced their religion like my Muslim friends do, then the world would be a much better place to live in.  But I am an opponent of fundamentalism, to include Jewish fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, and Muslim fundamentalism.  Hate would be too strong of a word.  The hallmark of fundamentalist thinking is � �My mind is made up.  I know the truth.  Don�t confuse me with facts�.  If that is you, I am your opponent.  I do believe that Islam is in need of a reformation.  It is a constant theme of mine.

 

If so many people object to the use of slavery and even the mention of slavery, then let�s do something about it.  Let�s get those references to slavery in the Koran removed or, at least, repudiated.  Let�s write letters to Imam Al-Fawzan at the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, Saudi Arabia�s highest religious body, and a professor at Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University, Saudi Arabia, and tell him please stop indorsing slavery (see above quote).  Anyone want to join in?

 

Sid