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Sis Ummah
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Assu, So was the Rasul (saw) American when he did something weird in his time in promoting Islam??? Think about it... Who are you to say she should Amina Wadud and Progressives be condemned heftily? Allah (swt) is the only Judge and Punisher? Since when did so many Muslims begin to take this divine task onto themselves? |
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Knowledge01
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Is it against Islam for women to lead the prayer in congregation in the mosque and be an Imam? Is it against Islam for women to have their own congregation for prayer (all women, no men)? Please give reasons and proof provided by Quran or Sunnah. I have not been able to find any. Edited by Knowledge01 |
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abuayisha
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�Who are you to say she should Amina Wadud and Progressives be condemned heftily? Allah (swt) is the only Judge and Punisher? Since when did so many Muslims begin to take this divine task onto themselves? � Allah the Most High said: Let there be among you a community who enjoin good and forbid evil; it is they that shall be successful, [3:104] and: You are the best community that has ever been brought forth for mankind: you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in God, [3:110] and: Those who repent, those who worship, those who praise, those who persevere, those who bow down, those who prostrate, and those who enjoin good and forbid evil, [9:112] and: Those of the Israelites who were unbelievers have already been cursed on the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary, for they were disobedient, and transgressed. They did not forbid one another from committing the evil that they wrought. What they used to do was foul indeed. [5:79] The Qur'an is full of passages, which treat of this subject. Muslim relates on the authority of Abu Sa`id (radhiallahu `anhu) that the Prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said, "Whoever sees something evil should change it with his hand. If he cannot, then with his tongue; and if he cannot do even that, then in his heart. That is the weakest degree of faith." He also relates on the authority of Ibn Mas`ud that the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) said, "There was not a single Prophet among those who were sent before me who did not have apostles and companions and followed his Sunna and obeyed his commands. But afterwards other generations came whose words belied their deeds, and whose deeds were not in accordance with what they commanded others to do. Whoever struggles against the with his hand is a believer. Whoever struggles against them with his tongue is a believer. And whoever struggles against them with his heart is a believer. But when none of these things are done, then not a single mustard's seed weight of faith is present." |
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Sis Ummah
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Has anyone read the book "Muslim Women Warriors" by Prof. Assad Busool? You can find it online at: http://www.soundvision.com/Shop/pview.asp?Item=4263-004 Tell me how is it that women in the Rasul's (saw) time could do battle and one even be attributed to saving his life, but then be confined to their homes in this time?
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abuayisha
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There is no dispute among the scholars that one of the conditions of the imaam or leader is that he should be male. Ibn Hazam reported in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa� that there was scholarly consensus on this point. In the section he says: �Out of all groups of the people of the Qiblah [i.e., all Muslim sects], there is not one that allows the leadership of women.� Al-Qurtubi reported something similar, and al-�Allaamah al-Shanqeeti said, �There is no difference of opinion among the scholars on this point.� The evidence for this is the general meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): �Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other�� [al-Nisa� 4:34]. It is also clearly indicated by the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah who said that when the Prophet SAW?S (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) heard that the Persians had appointed the daughter of Chosroes as their queen, he said, �No people who appoint a woman as their leader will ever prosper.� (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 13/53). This is because positions of leadership and government require a person to join men�s gatherings, which is not allowed for women according to sharee�ah because of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): �And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance�� [al-Ahzaab 33:33]. These positions also require perfect wisdom, reason and alertness, and the testimony of a man has been made equal to that of two women, the reason for which Allaah has explained in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): �� so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her�� [al-Baqarah 2:282]. Imaam al-Muwaffaq Ibn Qudaamah said: �For this reason the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his successors (khulafa�) and those who came after them never appointed a woman to be a judge or a governor of a province, as far as we know. If it were permissible, it should have happened.� Imaam al-Ghazaali said: �The position of leader (imaam) could never be given to a woman even if she possessed all the qualities of perfection and self-reliance. How could a woman take the position of leader when she did not have the right to be a judge or a witness under most of the historical governments?� Imaam al-Baghawi said: �The scholars agreed that women are not fit to be leaders or judges, because the leader needs to go out to organize jihaad and take care of the Muslims� affairs, and the judge needs to go out to judge between people, but women are �awrah and it is not right for them to go out. Because of their weakness, women are not able to do many things. Women are imperfect, and the positions of leaders and judge are among the most perfect of positions for which only the most perfect of men are qualified.� Undoubtedly this is proven by reality. People know from experience that only men are fit for leadership, because women by nature are more emotional and more easily swayed by their feelings and compassion. These qualities have been created in women to enable them to carry out their most important duty, which is that of motherhood and nurturing children. Men, on the other hand, are not usually swayed by their emotions as women are. Their way is usually one of logic and deliberation, which form the essence of responsibility and leadership. With regard to the question of whether a woman may be appointed as a judge, the majority of Maaliki, Shaafa�i and Hanbali scholars say that a woman cannot be appointed as a judge, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah quoted above. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: �Ibn al-Teen said: Those who say that a woman cannot be appointed as a judge use the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah as evidence, and this is the view of the majority.� |
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AhmadJoyia
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"�No people who appoint a woman as their leader will ever prosper.� (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 13/53)." My question is, but what if people do decide to appoint a female as their leader? Would it be against Allah's commands or voilations of Prophet's commands? I think this hadith of Abu Bakrah (if this is the only hadith on the subject) is being and has been too streched to fit the purpose of a male dominant society (cultural influence). On the more, as the situation is dramatically changed from the time of Prophet and now, especially in the role definition of a government head, a judge, and the imam, the meanings attributed to the word "leader" in the said hadith may also needs to be carefully examined. No govt. head (president or prime minister) go in war and niether the judge nor even the chief of army staff goes into it. Classic example of this change in role could also be seen in the time of caliphate of Hazrat Umar when the Muslim army was fighting on the borders of syria, Iraq or for that matter Iran, Hazrat Umar was controlling the affairs while he was still in Madina. Definitely needs to hear more on it. Cheers!
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Sis Ummah
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I do not have the resources in front of me now, but I do recall that some weak hadith had been attributed later on during a time of a later caliph that worked to removed some of the rights of women. It may have begun when Aisha (raa) lead the battle that was later called the "Battle of the Camel." When she was the one in the lead on the camel. But they would not call it the battle of Aisha but the "Battle of the Camel." And that if any woman is a leader it would fail. But this is not true of what Islam dictates in that it liberated women and many were in battle and in this case actually lead battles. But since the times of the Sahaba on, Muslims have been in a steady decline regarding the leadership roles of women. |
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