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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote UmmAminata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2007 at 7:40am

 

Hello Sister Patty

Thank you for your respect, your empathy, and ability to hear me out with out slapping down my character.

Ma'sha'A'llah, I have been very blessed by such a truly Mericful Lord for my family.

And by the way, who ever told you your opinion has no weight or not much weight is sadly mistaken. There are many non-Muslims such as the late Sir Richard Burton, and John Esposito( including Catholic clergy) who do a better job respecting, and teaching Islam, than we do as Muslims.

What I'm finding is that some Muslim women for what ever reason, I no longer even care to know, have serious issues with other Muslim women especially convert women who are educated be it secularly or Islamically or both.

I try very hard to when discussing issues to not always focus on my feelings and opinions about the issue but to introduce some type of daleel from some valid Islamic source.

People who are not educated or used to belonging to social circles where freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice are respected will always have hateful opinions about those who do have this privallege because they made the choice. This is why I'm camping out with my Unitarian Universalists friends, what wonderful solace!

Thank you.

Glad to know I'm not a whore to somebody!

P.S. - I wonder if they even understand the classical reference I made!

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2007 at 11:46am

Israfil,

I hope you mean this is your last post on this topic....not your very last post forever on any topic!

God's Peace.

Patty

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote candid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2007 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by Patty Patty wrote:

Israfil,

I hope you mean this is your last post on this topic....not your very last post forever on any topic!

God's Peace.

Nopes. I don't think so. But I am longing for the day when you and Israfil bid us goodbye (once more). 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Patty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2007 at 8:16pm

I'm genuinely sorry you feel that way, candid.  But you're entitled to your feelings.

May Allah Grant You Wisdom

Patty

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rami Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2007 at 9:39pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Discussions on this forum will not go beyond the scope of the forum guidelines, by joining this forum you agree to abide by them.

the women used to ask the prophets wives to ask rasul allah [pbuh] about question of a sexual nature they never asked him directly, the men used to ask him in private not in an open market place which this forum is likened to.

This is the Islamic cultural norm.

Nopes. I don't think so. But I am longing for the day when you and Israfil bid us goodbye (once more).

If Br Israfil one day decides to renounce Islam solely becouse of the behavior of muslims towards him [which is common for muslim converts] what position do you think you would be in on Qiyamah.



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rookaiya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 2:59am

rami

i find the last bit of your post very offensive to brother israfil and to reverts in general. do u have stats to back up this assumption that  its common for muslim converts to renounce islam, solely becos of the behaviour of muslims towards them. its statements like these that divide us as muslims.

islam is a religion for mankind. it doesnt belong to those who were born and raised as muslims. by reverting, you not doing other muslims a favour. this is between u and allah SWT, unto whom u will be brought back and held accountable for your actions on this duniya. let us move away from the mindset that we have exclusive ownership of islam.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 5:53am

rookaiya, you misunderstood rami, it was not towards israfil but to candid about his behaviour. Candid made a poor remark about israfil and patty.

 

For both posts of Mrs Dia and Israfil's post  

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote candid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

rookaiya, you misunderstood rami, it was not towards israfil but to candid about his behaviour. Candid made a poor remark about israfil and patty.

Poor remark? At least technically, there is nothing offensive or insulting about what I said. Just my opinion. No accusations.

They actually deserve much worse, they often insult me personally. 

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