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The prophet sallallahu alaihe wassallam said, every religion has its characteristics and the characteristic of my religion in haya (modesty).

It surprises a muslim to find fellow brothers and sisters debating if particular subject falls in the category of modesty or not.  It takes only common sense and perhaps very little intelligence to discern.

It is incomprehensible for a sane, intelligent mind why matters which should be discussed only in some specific settings are insisted in a public place, that too by people who wish to follow the guidance of our beloved messenger (sallallahu alaihe wassallam).

Allah says in the Quran: Say, if you love allah then follow me, and allah will love you!

The prophet (saw) was specifically told by Allah to tell the believers, that if they want Allah to love them, then the way to achieve this is by the way of following the messenger!

Where is followership when we want to do things in manner that suits our desires? Where is submission, when we want to follow the dictates of our intellect?

Alhamdulillah muslims do not need to copy the west, or become like them. The problem with the ummah is not that we dont have sightedness of the backward progressing west. The problem of the ummah is that it has lost sight in the illumination that comes through following the deen with avidness.

Israfil was thinking of leaving islam since quite sometime. If this was because of the behavior of some muslims, then he should do it fast. Because this means, in the first place he did not enter this deen for Allah. He entered for something else.

If this is for the sake of Allah alone, then it does not matter how others behave, because on the day of judgement every soul shall be questioned for its own doings, not for the doings of the neighbour or a distant relative.

A believer has not perfected his Imaan unless he hates to fall in kufr just like a man would hate to be thrown in fire.

 



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Adab with Allah is the proper fruit of obedience - Habib Ali Jifri
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote UmmTaaha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 7:38pm

 

btw, in my opinion one should be banned if he wants to teach reproductive biology and female reproductive anatomy on the forum!

censorship of posts is just not enough, because after that they come whinning in the complaints section.

If one is so interested in " teaching " then one must first acquire professional training, then go to professional institutions that impart this knowledge!

We just did a course on fiqh of hayd online. The teacher was specialized in this very fiqh. And she taught everything. And we students asked questions from everywhere, which she answerd in details. Alhamdulilalh there were brothers and sisters together in class, but this was an appropriate set up, and things were said with proprieties.  it is not that islam puts a taboo on learning things that matter in life. But Islam does put a taboo on doing things in a manner that is not befitting to the characteristics of the deen.

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Israfil was thinking of leaving islam since quite sometime. If this was because of the behavior of some muslims, then he should do it fast. Because this means, in the first place he did not enter this deen for Allah. He entered for something else.

They won't understand. He is their pet.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rami Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 9:51pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

i find the last bit of your post very offensive to brother israfil and to reverts in general. do u have stats to back up this assumption that  its common for muslim converts to renounce islam, solely becos of the behaviour of muslims towards them. its statements like these that divide us as muslims.

There is an organisation here in sydney made up of muslim converts whose sole purpose is to support new converts due to the fact that most if not all converts who turn away from islam is becouse of the behavior of Muslims in general and not the religion itself.  I had a friend at university once who converted to islam and then turned away from it becouse of "muslims".

there are many converts on this forum why dont you ask them how they find the muslim ummah, ive seen them all share similar experiances to what converts here in sydney have to go through.

Poor remark? At least technically, there is nothing offensive or insulting about what I said. Just my opinion. No accusations.


Candid Your comment was completely offensive and insulting, you should re-read what i said earlier with respect to what Angel said.






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Opinions should not hurt. Opinions are not claims or accusations. Just a matter of personal taste. Nothing else.

BTW, you don't know anything between me and Israfil. His posts about me are so insulting that they get deleted by the moderators. He calls me a non-muslim (I never once called him a non-muslim), calls me an a$$, retard etc. I didn't ever insult him so crudely.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rookaiya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 11:02pm

i  have personal experience with israfil.  we had a misunderstanding of some kind where i felt that he was insulting me and accusing me of lying etc. but alhamduliah thats been cleared up now.

so i  apologise, candid, for butting in here and commetning on something, when clearly i dont know the history of the persons invloved.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ak_m_f Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 February 2007 at 11:42pm
I think we should ask for ESL certification; or something like that; when you register.
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Bismillah irrahman irraheem

Assalaamualaikum.

Israfil wrote:

Yes I saw the pretty red letters exclaiming that I shouldn't post explicit sexual content and to "go ask someone else"

I did not say "go ask someone else" You are misrepresenting me. I only suggested that you should ask the sheikh yourself because you were engaging in  too much unnecessary  detail with the sister. Why I had to mention the �sheikh�? Because the sheikh was already in your conversation. You were commenting on the shaikh�s statement and asking the sister to explain it. So all I said was, ask the sheikh yourself.

 but if the purpose of dialogue in any forum is to learn why wouldone suggest to take their inquiries somewhere else? I mean, when people with curiousity on Islam do we say "Go ask a Sheikh what Islam is!" Of course not.

Again , I never  told you "Go ask a Sheikh what Islam is!". Whenever you have wanted to know Islamic point of view, all of us here have tried to help you. Asking questions to know more about islam is perfectly alright.

Of course you would say that the curiousity is sexual in nature either, but the end point amounts to the same, the inquiries were purposeful because it involved knowledge seeking.

Read again guideline no. 17.  Materials that are explicit in nature or pertaining to sexuality will not be tolerated - even when the purpose is genuine. 

The problem with our Ummah is that we don't discuss these things.

Blaming the ummah all the time does not solve problems brother. If the Ummah is being modest, how does it harm the society? The actual problem arises when we forget our identity as muslims and start aping other cultures.

There are etiquettes for everything. On an Islamic forum, we follow Islamic etiquette.

Anyway, I wanted to vent. The rules do not make sense. The censorship does not make sense. As a community if we do not sit down and talk about things even if they are sexually explicit we will still be in the dark in a lot of things like we are now anyway. We need to let go this pride crap! I mean is talking about sex openly cultureally offensive? Hmmmm

This is your opinion and aren�t you trying to force your opinion on others?

We see from the mannerisms of Allah and His Messenger sallahu alayhi wasallam that their way of addressing intimate matters is dignified and polite  Its ok to ask a knowledgable person about your doubts.

 

Brother ak, people did enquire the messenger of Allah sallahu alayhi wasallam because he was the most knowledgable. But did they discuss things in detail with opposite genders?

 

From Bukhari and Muslim:

It is narrated on the authority of 'Imran b. Husain that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: modesty brings forth nothing but goodness. (Book #001, Hadith #0059)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: The Prophet passed by a man who was admonishing his brother regarding Haya and was saying, "You are very shy, and I am afraid that might harm you." On that, Allah's Apostle said, "Leave him, for Haya is (a part) of Faith."  (Book #73, Hadith #139)

Narrated 'Aisha: An Ansari woman asked the Prophet how to take a bath after finishing from the menses. He replied, "Take a piece a cloth perfumed with musk and clean the private parts with it thrice." The Prophet felt shy and turned his face. So I pulled her to me and told her what the Prophet meant.  (Book #6, Hadith #312)

And yes Israfil, I will delete EVERY post of yours which contains any sort of filth.

Wassalaam.

Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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