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Assalaamualakium Candid,

If brother Israfil has insulted you, your job is to report it to mod/admin. We will insha allah take care of it. You are breaking the guidelines by insulting him .

wassalaam.

guideline 15. We will not tolerate personal attacks on participants from ANY Community (personal attacks are defined as comments that reflect upon the person instead of their opinion). Furthermore, any insults intended to ANY religion, ANY prophet of God, or ANY holy scripture shall be removed.

Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
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Salaam O Alaikum

This too is going to be my last post, because it's evident, that people can't look beyond their own ego's to see that this ended totally wrong, and was based on a complete misunderstanding. Muslims are so harsh, and so cruel to one another. Yet we demand respect of our faith from non-Muslims and than don't respect each other or ourn deen. At any rate, I'd like to apologize to the Moderators, and Administrators of Islamiccity, my whole entire experience here hasn't been that awful either. I apologize if I was disrespectful, offensive, or overly harsh. Never again, am I going to allow an online forum to provoke me to such anger and disappointment.Nobody is perfect, we all have flaws, and being sanctimonious, or self righteous doesn't resolve problems or offer oppurtunities for healing either. I realized that this place is for Muslims who most likely are following Albani, or Muhammad Ibn Al Wahab. I'm not a salafi or wahabi.

To Mrs. Amah:

I was a former moderator of a live women's discussion group a couple of years ago so I do understand the rights and the responsibilities of a moderator. With that being said, I feel that you and some other moderators especially in this case, have totally misunderstood the entire situation with brother Isarfil in this situation, I can't speak for other situations, but in this situation there is a total misunderstanding! The discussion of birth control or any method of family planning is not immodest, it is not unholy, it is not unrighteous. It is not harram, and it is not even mahcrew. Giving people the benefit of the doubt, being patient, and at least asking them to clarify their intentions or confronting privately prior to attacking them publically is the more professional behaviour. The discussion was suppose to be about birth control and I feel completely responsible for this whole misunderstanding because I'm the one who cited the sheiks works for references. That Sheik is in Jordan and is very hard to get a hold of. He has an office with sunnipath.org, but he's difficult to contact as most sheiks are. So that demand was unreasonable and unjust. I also feel that your equating the discussion of birth control or the language that was used to be immodest, unrighetous and not being a good Muslim. I feel this is very cruel, and I feel this is an abuse of your authority as a moderator. No one is or ever has asked to discussed sexual matters relating to anything other than birth control. Also, it's very hypocritical of this website to censor some one, and than offer a board for them to comment and complain, knowing darn well, you don't want to be challenged. A sign of real eman is not becomming miffed because some challenges your authority or disagree's with your opinions.  All I'm saying Mrs. Amah is you really, did misunderstand. Why things have spiraled out of control, I guess we can all ask shaytan ask about it. Again I apologize Mrs. Amah.

To Mrs. Umm Taha

I read your post a couple of times ( Mrs. Amah sent me a pm advising me to read posts two or three times before commenting) and I also sent your post to a friend. With that being said, I am an American, and I'm proud to be an American. I'm an African American and I'm proud to be an African American. I'm also a Muslim. When I converted to Islam no where in the Holy Qur'an did I ever read that I must strip myself of my own heritage, culture or history in order to follow the way of the Prophet Muhammad sws. When I became Muslim, Islam was simply an extension not a rejection of my culture and hertiage. Your language of " East & West" can only lead one to believe that you believe that a Muslim doesn't need to embrace the ideals of the west, that's fine, but thats your belief. Please stop projecting onto other Muslims.  I'm not giving up my culture and heritage to embrace the Arab, Indo/Pakistani/ Maylasian/Indonesian/EasterEuropean culture. No culture is superior to another culture. No one is superior to another accept in peity and worship. I'm fed up with Muslims blaming my culture and my country for the demise of their own. I'm fed up with Muslims excommunicating me because I won't wear my hijab like an Arab sister may choose to wear hers or like a Pakistani sister may choose to wear hers. This lack of respect for other cultures other than the Arab culture is a major turn off to those interested in Islam, especially European/American white converts. They should be able to be who they are and be accepted before Allah provided that it isn't harram.

To Brother Israfil:

Brother Israfil, I want to tell you about shaytan. Shaytan will use Islam, shaytan will use Muslims, anything or everything to attack your certianity, to attack your trust, to attack your devotion to Allah. Don't allow shaytan and those unknowingly following shaytan to provoke you to such anger that you rip to a million pieces your relationship with Allah and your practice of Islam. Allah is so much Greater than that. After my mother passed away, if I saw a Muslim, I would run the opposite direction. I didn't want to talk to, look at, or deal with any Muslim peroid. Including my own husband. I was in a horrible state of grief and shock over my mothers death and the out reach from the community was nill and consisted only of condemnation for a woman they didn't even know. I actually started the orthodox Jewish conversion process. The Rabbi undestood everything, was very patient, but kept pressing me to continue to look into Islam, to be certian that leaving Islam was what I really wanted to do. Believe me I understand brother. At the end of the day I rejected all other faiths other than the Jewish faith becuase I could not go from being a monotheist to a polytheist; I rejected Judaism because I love Jesus pbh and I could not deny him; and I rejected humanism because I could deny the power of Allah in things unknown or unseen. I couldn't do it, no matter how much I tried, and I did try. I wanted to apostate so badly, but my heart wouldn't let me do it. There is no diety but Allah and Muhammad ibn Abdullah was the last and final messenger of Allah was all I could stomach and I certiantly didn't want to be Muslim, but Islam had dug its way into my bones. I couldnt leave. Just know Allah is close to you. Seek Allah and you will find an inner peace and contentment so profound you will rejoice and weep that you ever considered leaving. I did PM you with some other communities where you will be more compatiable and proubably respected in.

May Allah guides us all and forgive me for my own arrogance.

Mrs. Dia

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Originally posted by amah amah wrote:

Assalaamualakium Candid,

If brother Israfil has insulted you, your job is to report it to mod/admin. We will insha allah take care of it. You are breaking the guidelines by insulting him .

wassalaam.

guideline 15. We will not tolerate personal attacks on participants from ANY Community (personal attacks are defined as comments that reflect upon the person instead of their opinion). Furthermore, any insults intended to ANY religion, ANY prophet of God, or ANY holy scripture shall be removed.

Walai kum as Salaam,

We are in the same forum and you read the same posts as I do. Its not an excuse that the moderators didn't know when others made a personal comments against me. Its not my responsibility to report to you who has insulted me where. Besides, in many of the threads where I have been outright insulted, moderators have posted their own messages, they certainly couldn't be unaware of that.

If you don't edit posts (with a curt reprimand) by other members wherein they make personal comments against me, it clearly indicates  such behavior is tolerated by the moderators. Frankly, I don't have any problem with that, as long as I am not prevented to reply back in the same way so as to stop others from insulting me.

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

its not the job of the moderator to read every post, that is not reasonable.

It is your responsibility to report offensive behavior, i certainly dont read every post in a thread i happen to be posting in.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2007 at 4:27am

Where on earth did people thought that Israfil was leaving islam??

As for candid, he has some issue , its also going on at the pond.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 February 2007 at 4:32am

Originally posted by candid candid wrote:

Its not an excuse that the moderators didn't know when others made a personal comments against me. Its not my responsibility to report to you who has insulted me where. 

umm, candid how many forums are there here at the boards and how many thread are going ?? and how many moderators are there and how many at one time or no time??

How can you expect them to know ???

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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Where on earth did people thought that Israfil was leaving islam??

As for candid, he has some issue , its also going on at the pond.

Nopes. Not really. In fact, in this forum I don't have any issue with anyone except Israfil.

In fact, it all started after I got pissed off when Israfil talked condescendingly to me and called me ignorant person etc.

But he had been ruder to me than I was to him.



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Originally posted by candid candid wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Where on earth did people thought that Israfil was leaving islam??

As for candid, he has some issue , its also going on at the pond.

Nopes. Not really. In fact, in this forum I don't have any issue with anyone except Israfil.

In fact, it all started after I got pissed off when Israfil talked condescendingly to me and called me ignorant person etc.

But he had been ruder to me than I was to him.

no, i'm not talking about you and israfil, i meant just you and the issue of insults/offending remarks, that you have an issue with it like some grudge you always go on about it, you have it had the pond to.  



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