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Assu,

So was the Rasul (saw) American when he did something weird in his time in promoting Islam???  Think about it... 

Who are you to say she should Amina Wadud and Progressives be condemned heftily?  Allah (swt) is the only Judge and Punisher? Since when did so many Muslims begin to take this divine task onto themselves? 

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Is it against Islam for women to lead the prayer in congregation in the mosque and be an Imam?  Is it against Islam for women to have their own congregation for prayer (all women, no men)?

Please give reasons and proof provided by Quran or Sunnah.  I have not been able to find any.



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�Who are you to say she should Amina Wadud and Progressives be condemned heftily?  Allah (swt) is the only Judge and Punisher? Since when did so many Muslims begin to take this divine task onto themselves? �

 Allah the Most High said: Let there be among you a community who enjoin good and forbid evil; it is they that shall be successful, [3:104] and: You are the best community that has ever been brought forth for mankind: you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in God, [3:110] and: Those who repent, those who worship, those who praise, those who persevere, those who bow down, those who prostrate, and those who enjoin good and forbid evil, [9:112] and: Those of the Israelites who were unbelievers have already been cursed on the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary, for they were disobedient, and transgressed. They did not forbid one another from committing the evil that they wrought. What they used to do was foul indeed. [5:79] The Qur'an is full of passages, which treat of this subject.

Muslim relates on the authority of Abu Sa`id (radhiallahu `anhu) that the Prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said, "Whoever sees something evil should change it with his hand. If he cannot, then with his tongue; and if he cannot do even that, then in his heart. That is the weakest degree of faith."

He also relates on the authority of Ibn Mas`ud that the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) said, "There was not a single Prophet among those who were sent before me who did not have apostles and companions and followed his Sunna and obeyed his commands. But afterwards other generations came whose words belied their deeds, and whose deeds were not in accordance with what they commanded others to do. Whoever struggles against the with his hand is a believer. Whoever struggles against them with his tongue is a believer. And whoever struggles against them with his heart is a believer. But when none of these things are done, then not a single mustard's seed weight of faith is present."

 

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Two hadith need to be discussed here, one because it is an explicit statement regarding this question and another because it is the hadith that is often quoted to substantiate the claim that women can lead such prayers.

There is a hadith recorded by ibn Maajah which is very explicit on this particular question. However, there is no question that this hadith is weak and cannot be used as evidence in Islamic Law. The hadith is presented here in order for it to be known that it is weak and unacceptable as evidence on this question. The hadith as found in ibn Maajah states:

 
�Truly, a woman should not lead a man in prayer, nor a Bedouin an Emigrant, nor an evildoer a believer��

The second hadith is the one most quoted by some contemporary authors on this point. It is often referred to as �the hadith of Umm Waraqah.� This hadith is recorded by Ahmad, al-Haakim in his Mustadrak, ibn al-Jaarood, ibn Khuzaimah, al-Baihaqi in al-Kubra and al-Sughra, Abu Dawood, al-Tabaraani and al-Daaraqutni. Since Sunan Abi Dawood is available in English, his recording of the hadith will be presented here as well as the translation as found in Ahmad Hasan�s translation of Sunan Abu Dawood. Abu Dawood records:

 
 Ahmad Hasan�s translation (vol. 1, pp. 155-156) is as follows:

(591) Umm Waraqah daughter of Nawfal reported: When the Prophet (may peace be upon him) proceeded for the Battle of Badr, I said to him: Apostle of Allah allow me to accompany you in the battle. I shall act as a nurse for your patients. It is possible that Allah might bestow martyrdom on me. He said: Stay at your home. Allah, the Almighty, will bestow martyrdom upon you. The narrator said: Hence she called martyr. She read the Quran. She sought permission from the Prophet (may peace be upon him) to have a mu`adhdhin in her house. He, therefore, permitted her (to do so). She announced that her slave and slave-girl would be free after her death. One night they went to her and strangled her with a sheet of cloth until she died, and they ran away. Next day �Umar announced among the people: Anyone who has knowledge about them, or has seen them, should bring them (to him). �Umar (after their arrest) ordered (to crucify them) and they were crucified. This was the first crucifixion at Medina.

(592) This tradition has also been narrated through a different chain of transmitters by Umm Waraqah daughter of Abd Allah ibn al-Harith. The first version is complete. This version goes: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to visit her at her house. He appointed a mu`adhdhin to call the adhan for her; and he commanded her to lead the inmates of her house of in prayer. �Abd al-Rahman said: I saw her mu`adhdhin who was an old man.

After recording this hadith, the great scholar of hadith ibn Khuzaimah said that it is a �strange sunnah� and he does not know of any other hadith bearing this meaning. Al-Daraqutni is quoted as having made a similar statement. Furthermore, there is no question that the authenticity of this hadith may be questioned. All of the people who recorded it recorded it through al-Waleed ibn Jumai� from Abdul-Rahmaan ibn Khallaad, and there is some doubt concerning both of these narrators. In particular, al-Waleed has to be questioned if he reports something that is not supported by anyone else. Hence, in ibn Hibbaan�s al-Majrooheen (vol. 3, pp. 78-79), it states about him,

 
Al-Waleed ibn Jumai�, a sheikh from the people of Kufah. He narrated from Abdul-Rahmaan ibn Khallaad and people of Kufah. Abdullah ibn Dawood al-Kharabi and the people of Iraq narrated from him. He was from among those people who would solitarily narrate from trustworthy people hadith that would not resemble the hadith of trustworthy narrators. Since this was excessive on his part, one cannot use him as a relied upon source. Al-Hamadaani narrated to us that Amr ibn Ali said to him, �Yahya ibn Saeed would not narrate from al-Waleed ibn Jumai�.�

[It must be noted that some people accept al-Waleed because ibn Hibbaan mentioned him in his other work, al-Thiqaat (Trustworthy Narrators), but this comment by ibn Hibbaan himself makes it clear that he is not acceptable under all circumstances.]

In Taqreeb al-Tahdheeb, ibn Hajar describes Abdul-Rahmaan as being ����� �����, meaning his condition as a narrator of hadith is not established. Hadith of someone of this nature would not be acceptable unless it is supported via another source. (It should though be noted that other scholars had a higher opinion of Abdul-Rahmaan. Although in the recently edited version of Taqreeb, edited by Basheer Maroof and Shuaib al-Arnaaoot, they argue that Abdul-Rahmaan is ����� �����, meaning he is truly identified as a narrator since only one person is known to have narrated from him. This is a state lower than that described by ibn Hajar.)

Without going into any further details of the chains, this author can state that he is not completely convinced as to the authenticity of this hadith. Indeed, it seems that the hadith is weak. However, for the sake of argument it will be assumed that the hadith is hasan. In fact, the hadith scholar Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani has graded it hasan in his discussion of the hadith of Sunan Abi Dawood.

This being the only pertinent acceptable hadith, a number of important points can be derived from this hadith�many of which go against the way that this hadith is being applied by a limited number of people today.

Most importantly, this hadith should certainly not be used by feminists as some kind of sign that the Muslim jurists have gotten the true picture of women in Islam wrong for so many centuries. Note what exactly occurred in this hadith: Umm Waraqah asked permission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to take part in the Battle of Badr. She did not ask permission to take part in the fighting. She only stated to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that she would be able to tend to the ill and wounded. However, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) refused her request. Beyond that, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) ordered her to remain in her house, using the imperative form of the verb. (This is similar to the command made in al-Ahzaab 33, which people argue is only meant for the Prophet�s wives but this hadith of Umm Waraqah could be used to further show that it was for Muslim women in general.)

Again, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) ordered her to remain in her house and told her to the lead the inhabitants of her house in prayer. The following question must then be asked: How could this hadith possibly be used as evidence that a woman is allowed to lead the congregational prayer in a mosque? If she were to do that, she would be violating the command that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) gave to Umm Waraqah of remaining in her house and, furthermore, it would be deriving something from this hadith that is simply not in the hadith: the permissibility of women leading the prayers outside of their homes in the mosques (a practice, it should be noted, that was never done by any of the pious women of the early generations, including, to the best of what is recorded, Umm Waraqah herself).

Actually, there is nothing explicit in this hadith that Umm Waraqah led males in prayer. The basic ruling concerning males is that they are to pray in the mosque. This was a well-established practice during the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and afterwards during the time of the Companions. (There is no need to go into the numerous proofs for that view.) Hence, who would Umm Waraqah be leading in the obligatory prayers? It should have only been females and those males who were too young to be required to go to the mosques. Even her caller to prayer, the old man referred to by the non-Companion Abdul-Rahmaan, may have made the call to prayer for her and then gone to the mosque to prayer. That is not stated in the hadith but it is an acceptable assumption given the command for males to pray in the mosques and how that command was implemented during the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

It should also be noted that this incident took place during the time of Badr, before the revelations of soorah al-Noor and soorah al-Ahzaab, which put greater restrictions on the dress and movement of the believing women. Hence, this practice may have existed at one time but was later no longer practiced, as one can find no other evidence for this practice in any other report.

In sum, the absolute most that can be derived from the hadith of Umm Waraqah, if one concludes that it is an acceptable hadith, is that a woman can lead the male members of her household within the confines of her home if she is most qualified to the Imam. At the same time, on the other end of the extreme, the hadith also lends itself to the fact that Muslim women are requested to remain at home and, in general�although there are exceptions to this�they are not even expected to go out for jihad and try to become martyrs. There is nothing, though, in this hadith that would lend itself to the conclusion that it is permissible for women to lead men in prayer in congregational mosques or in the Friday Prayer. Such a conclusion would simply be reading more into the hadith than what the hadith states. Indeed, the hadith is not even explicit that Umm Waraqah would lead adult males of her household in prayer�which must be considered doubtful since such males of that time were known to perform the obligatory prayers in the mosque. And Allah alone knows best.


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Has anyone read the book "Muslim Women Warriors" by Prof. Assad Busool?  You can find it online at: http://www.soundvision.com/Shop/pview.asp?Item=4263-004

Tell me how is it that women in the Rasul's (saw) time could do battle and one even be attributed to saving his life, but then be confined to their homes in this time?

 

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There is no dispute among the scholars that one of the conditions of the imaam or leader is that he should be male. Ibn Hazam reported in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa� that there was scholarly consensus on this point. In the section he says: �Out of all groups of the people of the Qiblah [i.e., all Muslim sects], there is not one that allows the leadership of women.� Al-Qurtubi reported something similar, and al-�Allaamah al-Shanqeeti said, �There is no difference of opinion among the scholars on this point.�

The evidence for this is the general meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): �Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other�� [al-Nisa� 4:34]. It is also clearly indicated by the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah who said that when the Prophet SAW?S (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) heard that the Persians had appointed the daughter of Chosroes as their queen, he said, �No people who appoint a woman as their leader will ever prosper.� (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 13/53).

This is because positions of leadership and government require a person to join men�s gatherings, which is not allowed for women according to sharee�ah because of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): �And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance�� [al-Ahzaab 33:33]. These positions also require perfect wisdom, reason and alertness, and the testimony of a man has been made equal to that of two women, the reason for which Allaah has explained in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): �� so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her�� [al-Baqarah 2:282].

Imaam al-Muwaffaq Ibn Qudaamah said:

�For this reason the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his successors (khulafa�) and those who came after them never appointed a woman to be a judge or a governor of a province, as far as we know. If it were permissible, it should have happened.�

Imaam al-Ghazaali said:

�The position of leader (imaam) could never be given to a woman even if she possessed all the qualities of perfection and self-reliance. How could a woman take the position of leader when she did not have the right to be a judge or a witness under most of the historical governments?�

Imaam al-Baghawi said:

�The scholars agreed that women are not fit to be leaders or judges, because the leader needs to go out to organize jihaad and take care of the Muslims� affairs, and the judge needs to go out to judge between people, but women are �awrah and it is not right for them to go out. Because of their weakness, women are not able to do many things. Women are imperfect, and the positions of leaders and judge are among the most perfect of positions for which only the most perfect of men are qualified.�

Undoubtedly this is proven by reality. People know from experience that only men are fit for leadership, because women by nature are more emotional and more easily swayed by their feelings and compassion. These qualities have been created in women to enable them to carry out their most important duty, which is that of motherhood and nurturing children. Men, on the other hand, are not usually swayed by their emotions as women are. Their way is usually one of logic and deliberation, which form the essence of responsibility and leadership.

With regard to the question of whether a woman may be appointed as a judge, the majority of Maaliki, Shaafa�i and Hanbali scholars say that a woman cannot be appointed as a judge, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah quoted above.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

�Ibn al-Teen said: Those who say that a woman cannot be appointed as a judge use the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah as evidence, and this is the view of the majority.�

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"�No people who appoint a woman as their leader will ever prosper.� (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 13/53)."

My question is, but what if people do decide to appoint a female as their leader? Would it be against Allah's commands or voilations of Prophet's commands? I think this hadith of Abu Bakrah (if this is the only hadith on the subject) is being and has been too streched to fit the purpose of a male dominant society (cultural influence). On the more, as the situation is dramatically changed from the time of Prophet and now, especially in the role definition of a government head, a judge, and the imam, the meanings attributed to the word "leader" in the said hadith may also needs to be carefully examined. No govt. head (president or prime minister) go in war and niether the judge nor even the chief of army staff goes into it. Classic example of this change in role could also be seen in the time of caliphate of Hazrat Umar when the Muslim army was fighting on the borders of syria, Iraq or for that matter Iran, Hazrat Umar was controlling the affairs while he was still in Madina. Definitely needs to hear more on it. Cheers!

 

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I do not have the resources in front of me now, but I do recall that some weak hadith had been attributed later on during a time of a later caliph that worked to removed some of the rights of women.

It may have begun when Aisha (raa) lead the battle that was later called the "Battle of the Camel."  When she was the one in the lead on the camel.  But they would not call it the battle of Aisha but the "Battle of the Camel."  And that if any woman is a leader it would fail.  But this is not true of what Islam dictates in that it liberated women and many were in battle and in this case actually lead battles. 

But since the times of the Sahaba on, Muslims have been in a steady decline regarding the leadership roles of women. 

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