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so you have to wait for allah's judgment concerning her and see if she is a person who this verse is talking about you have no right to judge what allah will do.

.....and probably we can all follow her suit,and wait for Allah to tell us that it is wrong......!????.So what are we?

We should stop confusing ourselves,if something is clear,its clear.Moderation on the forum should remain just that,please people!,we should refrain from moderating Allahs and our beloved prophets texts.

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Originally posted by aus aus wrote:

so you have to wait for allah's judgment concerning her and see if she is a person who this verse is talking about you have no right to judge what allah will do.

...Moderation on the forum should remain just that,please people!,we should refrain from moderating Allahs and our beloved prophets texts.

Peace

Aus

 Agreed!!!
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Originally posted by aus aus wrote:

so you have to wait for allah's judgment concerning her and see if she is a person who this verse is talking about you have no right to judge what allah will do.

.....and probably we can all follow her suit,and wait for Allah to tell us that it is wrong......!????.So what are we?

We should stop confusing ourselves,if something is clear,its clear.Moderation on the forum should remain just that,please people!,we should refrain from moderating Allahs and our beloved prophets texts.

Peace

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So, according to this ayat, are you suggesting to take on the role to send people to hell? Moderation is by the action taken on your part and not in the absence of it. So much for this Ayat. However, on the more, one should not jump to conclusions without any knowledge of the background of the whole discussion went into this thread. Probably, brother you haven't read about the arguments that have been presented by Bro Rami to negate this notion of 'women led prayer'. I would suggest you to read it before anyone shall pass the judgements etc. Rest Allah knows the best.
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Moderation is by the action taken on your part and not in the absence of it

peace to all,

Moderation in itself should be moderate and relative.

Rami knows its wrong what she did,hes just afraid to give her a name to refer to the unislamic behaviour that she exhibited,for which i did.

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Bismillah,

Only Allah, SWT, knows our fate, heaven or hell.  People can lead evil lives and then convert and only Allah, SWT, knows their fate.  People can follow the straight path until near the end of their lives, and then change. 

Only Allah, SWT, knows our fate!
Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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peace to all,

till they become good and believe,they still will be unbelievers and they will be reffered to as unbelievers.

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Aus you are ignorent of what Kufr is, a person can sin all his life die go to hell and still be a muslim any sin is unislamic if it was islamic it wouldnt be a sin. If you insist on stating that a sin means the person is a kafir then you are of those who the scholars have called Khawarij.

They originated in the time of the caliphates of Uthman and Ali, among the closest companions to Prophet Muhammad.  They were the earliest group of fanatics who separated themselves from the Muslim community. They arose in opposition to Ali � Prophet Muhammad�s son-in-law � because of his willingness to arbitrate with Mu�awiyah, governor of Damascus at that time, over the issue of the caliphate. The Khawarij, meaning �those who exited,� slung accusations of blasphemy against Ali and Mu�awiyah � and those who followed them � saying that the Qur�an, and not them, had the ultimate authority in the matter.  Ibn al-Jawzi, an orthodox Sunni scholar, in his book Talbis Iblis (The Devil�s Deception) under the chapter heading �A Mention of the Devil�s Delusion upon the Kharijites,� says that Dhu�l-Khuwaysira al-Tamimi was the first Kharijite in Islam and that �[h]is fault was to be satisfied with his own view; had he paused he would have realized that there is no view superior to that of Allah�s Messenger��  Furthermore, the orthodox Sunni scholar Imam Abd al-Qahir al-Baghdadi discusses the Kharijite rebellions and their bloody massacres of tens of thousands of Muslims in one of his books. He explicitly mentions the Azariqa, one of the most atrocious Kharijite movements led by Nafi� ibn al-Azraq from the tribe of Banu Hanifa � the same tribe where the heretic Musaylima the Prevaricator (or Liar) who claimed prophethood alongside Prophet Muhammad came from.  Just as the Khawarij threw accusations of blasphemy on Ali and Mu�awiya, [Edited] this is not my point in posting this so i dont think it is relavent.

HADITH: Hazrat Anas bin Malik relates that the Holy Prophet (s) said:

Three (3) things form the foundation of al-Islam:(1) Whosoever says 'La ilaha Illallah, Muhammadar-Rasulullah,' do not take him out of Islam because he committed a sin. .... [Sahih of Abu Dawud]

TAFSIR: Ahlus-Sunnah does not remove someone from Islam because he committed a sin, but the Khawarij say the person becomes a kafir.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Blimey - that's a bit tough, isn't it? Although it explains some of the conversations I have had / tried to have with a few Saudis on the internet recently...

Kim...

 
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