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    Posted: 11 July 2007 at 10:11am
Why don't you allow this thread to continue?  It is closed.  It is a great way to allow some dialog on the subject, and to learn to understand each other.  We need better understanding in this world and acceptance of each other instead of just blaming, getting fed up and closing the thread.

This is just a suggestion in the interest of better understanding and peace.  PLEASE.

Since Muslims created the disaster during 9/11/01 in New York, what would have been a better response than going into Afghanistan?  I am open on this and would appreciate Muslim opinions.
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Is Islam peaceful?

Yes, it is peaceful. It is the message of peace and submisson to Allah. And this part was already described in the the thread you are referring to by many posters including myself.

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9227& ;PN=1&TPN=3

Yet, you started a new thread here on the same matter.

Who did Sept 11, 01?

Terrorists did. Don't use the term "Muslim terrorists?" And terrrorists are everywhere regardless of their claim to belong to any faith. But, you can't bomb the entire world for that. What if there is a terrorist in your neighbourhood? Would you bomb that entire area? Of course not.

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Peacemaker, you closed the old thread and I had a question about your answer.

Why are you so hostile with me?  You really do not sound like a peacemaker.

The Q verse applied to Children of Israel.  Am I right?  Are Children of Israel defined in the Qur'an?  Could you tell me where please?  Also what is "mischief on earth" that justifies killing of another person?  Is that defined in the Qur'an or Sunna somewhere?

I replied to questions addressed to me.  I always reply.  If you can show me which one I did not reply to, I apologize and will do it immediately.  It is my questions that were not answered yet on the thread that you closed.  I also did not place random questions to spam.  That is not true.  If you think I did, you tell me which ones you considered random and spam.  You are not putting yourself and Islam into a light it should be with such accusations.  If you do not want to answer someone's questions, just say so.

The people who flew air planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon were yelling Allah Akhbar in the cockpit recordings which I personally heard coming off the cockpit recorder, and not in the TV news, they had passports that identified them as Muslim.  Most from Saudi Arabia as I recall. They were then identified having been trained in Al Qaida camps in Afghanistan.

So please tell me, what should the US response have been?  We think that they were Islamic terrorists.  Do you think that the US forged all this evidence?

What should we have done that would have been acceptable to you?  In other words, what should we do if this kind of thing is done by Muslim Terrorists again?

I would like to ask you not to be hostile to me in your response.  Just please have some understanding in your heart, unless you believe that I am a piece of trash because I am not a Muslim.  So far you treated me like trash.

We need to make peace among us.  DO YOU AGREE? I would like to know what you think about how it should be done?  What steps by each side.  What should we do on the US side non-Muslims, and what should you do on your side so that we can have peace and mutual respect without any hostile feelings.  Is that possible?  And friendly tone please; this is serious.

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Peace,

Peacemaker did answer your question by not linking the entire religion of
Islam to the acts of 9/11. We, as Muslims, can not be wholly represented
by the actions of other Muslims, and viz., a minority like those who
belong to the group(s) who committed those actions.

Re: What to do in the face of the terrorist acts against the US?
More concisely than I could put it, here is Noam Chomsky:
"To combat terrorism we must start by reducing the level of terror, rather
than by escalating it. When the IRA detonates bombs in London, London
does not destroy Boston, the source of most of the finance, nor does it
wipe out West Belfast. The UK hunts the perpetrators, brings them to trial
and looks for the reasons for the violence."

Edited by Jamal Morelli
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Salaam,

Brother Peaemaker what does this mean in the followingBut, you can't bomb the entire world for that. What if there is a terrorist in your neighbourhood? Would you bomb that entire area? 

From what I read the poster did not refer to any bombing of other individuals and/countries so why the references to bombing? I'm curious.

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Salam aleikum Jamal.

Jamal, thank you very much for your polite answer.  You are right.  We should not link the actions of a few Muslims or even their group to all Muslims.  I did not mean to do that.  In my experience, many times in the Middle East over 40 years, I met many Muslims who I consider friends and I encountered a slightly negative reaction only once during those years.

Brother Peacemaker quoted a very good verse for peacefulness of Islam, but I would like to have Qur'an references for them if possible.  One reference was for Children of Israel, another was for "mischief on earth" that justifies killing of another person (this was an exception).  Also how would Muslims decide about death authorized by such exception today?  Would the case go in front of a council in Sharia law or would the individual decide based on this Qur'an verse?

If I may I would also like to know very clearly who is a believer and who is an unbeliever.  Does the Qur'an define these terms?

Fair comment with Chomsky.  Could one of you be more specific?  We need to make peace among us.  DO YOU AGREE? I would like to know what you think about how it should be done?  What steps by each side.  What should we do on the US side non-Muslims, and what should you do on your side so that we can have peace and mutual respect without any hostile feelings.  Is that possible?  And friendly tone please; this is serious.

Peacemaker, I am sorry about my reaction to you.  I created hostile feelings in you and I am sorry that I did.

Best regards and salam,

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Concerning the verse in Surah Al-Maidah, it is important to note the context in which it was revealed.  Ibn Kathir wrote the following concerning the verse:

"Allah says, because the son of Adam (Cain) killed his brother (Abel) in transgression and aggression, (We ordained for the Children of Israel...) meaning, We legislated for them and informed them, (that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) The Ayah states, whoever kills a soul without justification -- such as in retaliation for murder or for causing mischief on earth -- will be as if he has killed all mankind, because there is no difference between one life and another.  (and if anyone saved a life...) by preventing its blood from being shed and believing in its sanctity, then all people will have been saved from him, so, (it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Al-A`mash and others said that Abu Salih said that Abu Hurayrah said, "I entered on `Uthman when he was under siege in his house and said, `I came to give you my support. Now, it is good to fight (defending you) O Leader of the Faithful!' He said, `O Abu Hurayrah! Does it please you that you kill all people, including me' I said, `No.' He said, `If you kill one man, it is as if you killed all people. Therefore, go back with my permission for you to leave. May you receive your reward and be saved from burden.' So I went back and did not fight.''' `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said, "It is as Allah has stated, (if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden. So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.''

The verse is linked to the story of Cain and Abel, and how Cain murdered his brother.  The idea is that, as Ibn Kathir stated, "there is no difference between one life and another."

Concerning what "mischief" is defined as, once again, Ibn Kathir's commentary offers some clues:

"(The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.) `Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil. Ibn Jarir recorded that `Ikrimah and Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that the Ayat, The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger) until, (Allah is Of-Forgiving, Most Merciful,) "Were revealed about the idolators. Therefore, the Ayah decrees that, whoever among them repents before you apprehend them, then you have no right to punish them. This Ayah does not save a Muslim from punishment if he kills, causes mischief in the land or wages war against Allah and His Messenger and then joins rank with the disbelievers, before the Muslims are able to catch him. He will still be liable for punishment for the crimes he committed.'' Abu Dawud and An-Nasa'i recorded that `Ikrimah said that Ibn `Abbas said that the Ayah, (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land...) "Was revealed concerning the idolators, those among them who repent before being apprehended, they will still be liable for punishment for the crimes they committed.'' The correct opinion is that this Ayah is general in meaning and includes the idolators and all others who commit the types of crimes the Ayah mentioned."

As an example of what "mischief" can mean, the story of 8 members of the 'Ukl tribe is mentioned.  These 8 people visited the Prophet and became sick because of the weather.  The Prophet advised them to drink some milk mixed with camel urine, and they got better.  However, after they did get better, they killed the shepherd and stole his camels.  After they were captured, they were executed for their crime, as the verse indicated.


Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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Salam Islamispeace.  Thank you very much for taking the time and answering me.  I needed this kind of answer for a Web site I have that I did in order to explain the good side of Islam to Westerners, since there is a lot of bad and misleading info out there.  Although I am not very qualified for this, I did spend a lot of time to learn.  I want you to understand that I have to provide references to such answers in the Qur'an preferably or Surah.  I have a lot of visitors (>10K/month) and they like my approach so we enjoy credibility with this site.  I am somewhat at home with the Qur'an, but not the Surah.
Can I use http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ as a source (please look), and can you provide me with the references.  I would like to use this source if possible because the audience would be more accepting of a US source.  This is just a marketing/selling thing to meet my audience's preferences, but I do not want to compromise the truth in any way.  I would appreciate your or anyone's help very much.  I also have to stick to very simple English and not use the Arabic words that you all know.  I would be happy to pass by you how I explain your explanation, for your concurrence once I have the Surah (?) references.

Anyone who wants to look at the Web site to critique it, is welcome to it, just ask if there is any interest.  I did it because I liked being among Muslims, I think they liked me, they helped me many times, and i do not want anything unfair assumed out there.  Also it seems that my language and style work better than the many introductions to Islam that are out there.  I am not trying to convert.  I just want readers to accept that there are very nice people among Muslims, in my experience of 40 years, virtually all.  And especially in our country, US being a mixture of all, they make great citizens, with excellent work ethic, which I know for a fact from GM and other sources.

Best wishes, thank you again,

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