Sunni Shiite Islam

Mr Ali Zaki

You wrote: For those of us (like me) who lack this knowledge, we must depend on scholars for guidance. This is just a practical issue, as if we had time we could all learn these things and become a scholar ourselves. The difference between the Muslims doctrine of scholarship, and the Catholic priesthood is this. Preists are an intercessor between the layman and God, Islamic scholars do not serve this function. The function they (Islamic Scholars) serve is similar to "Google", i.e., that you can get a specific answer to a specific question (query) without having to familiarize yourself with all of the intricate details of how this information was obtained and processed.

Why is it that you differentiate between the scholars then? Had you followed the same scholars that the main stream Muslims depend upon whose collections of the hadith we follow and the translations and interpretatons of the Qur'an we follow, then there would not have been any difference between your sect and the main stream Muslims. The difference and the breaking up of the Muslim ummah into sects is only because of the dependence upon scholars of ones liking. The Shia scholars lead you to a path different from that of a Sunni scholar. What makes you so confident that you are on the right path?

Scholars are many and they are nothing but human beings likely to err. Allah has given us all a mind to think and the first ayat was "Iqraa", and the Book is only ONE the "QUR'AN".

067.008: Almost bursting with fury: Every time a Group is cast therein, its Keepers will ask, "Did no Warner come to you?"

067.009: They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, 'Allah never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"

067.010: They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"

The Message of Allah is in His Book which He has promised to protect from corruption. The Message was delivered to us through His Messenger Mohammed (PBUH) who we have been ordered to obey. His Message should be taken as a whole not broken down into shreds, choosing what suits us and leaving others.

The Shia scholars have taught their followers practises contrary to the teachings of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an has the practise of mourning been advocated which so rules the lives of the Shias. Temporary marriage has never been advocated and giving Ali the status of a prophet or more than Mohammed (PBUH) has never been said anywhere. How can one go against the will of Allah and yet insist they or on the right path?

Br Ali Zaki

When a Muslim is in trouble as well as during good times he/she calls Allah and seeks His help,forgiveness & expresses gratitude. I have more often seen and heard Shia's saying "Ya, Ali"! What does this mean? What status have they given Ali? Is it not shirk?

My aim is not to discredit anyone, but to show you and and anyone else that may be attracted to the Shia sect that you are turning a blind eye to the truth. The absolute truth is only in the Qur'an, but more often you bring up all the most unfamiliar names and who will only take us away from the truth. How neatly you have avoided the last para of my previous post. I am talking about the shia practises that are against the Qur'an. When someone follows such practises should I support Shiaism?

Ali Zaki wrote: " giving Ali the status of a prophet or more than Mohammed (PBUH) has never been said anywhere. " Again, brother, you show the true aim of your posts (i.e., to create doubt and discredit the Shia).  Bring your evidence that the Shia beleive this (if you are sincere).

Dear Ali Zaki

How many proofs you want?  There are hundreds. I will give only a few which are easily accessable for everyone.

1)))  Check web site of shias  http://www.tabarra.com/AliunWali%20ullah.htm  it is written there

"the main difference between Shi�ism and other sects is the acceptance of Wilayat-e- Moula Ali (as) so where ever we give the first 2 testimonies ( i.e. Touheed & Risalat ) we should immediately give the 3rd testimony, the wilayat of Moula Ali (as) and all shias believe that the Third testimony ( Ali un wali ullah ) is just as necessary as the first 2 testimonies.".

2)))  Check this site  http://al-islam.org/leadership/  where imam is someone who has all the virtues and all the attributes.

"The Imam is utterly free of sin and pure of all fault. He is celebrated for his knowledge and his forebearance. His existence is a source of pride to the Muslims, of anger to the hypocrites, of perdition to the unbelievers. The Imam is unique in his age, in the sense that no one can attain his rank. No scholar can come within range of his knowledge, and he is unequalled in all his qualities. He possesses all virtues and worthy attributes without any striving on his part, and he is adorned with all lofty characteristics. This is a great gift bestowed on him by God in His generosity."

But dear Ali Zaki, it is only Allah who possesses all the attributes.  So you are actually raising an imam to the level of Allah.

3)))  In al-Kulayni, al-Kafi, Vol. I, p.256 it is written �God entrusted some of His mysteries to Jibril, and he conveyed them to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him and his family, who in turn informed of them whomsoever he wished." 

Dear Ali Zaki, was Jibril also coming to the family of the prophet?

4)))  The site  http://al-islam.org/leadership/  says that �The Noble Qur'an declares with the utmost clarity that God Almighty gives knowledge of the unseen to chosen servants such as the prophets in various ages. The Immaculate Imams can also make contact with the world of the unseen whenever necessary by seeking God's aid and support and thereby gain access to knowledge they need�.

Dear Ali Zaki, is this not that you are making your imams even superior to Prophets?  The Prophets had to wait for the knowledge to come to them at many occasions but your imams can have that whenever necessary.

5)))  Then check this site  http://al-islam.org/masoom/bios/1stimam.html  here Ali (ra) has been declared as superior to all the prophets of Allah in the following words.

"Imam Ali and the Ancient Prophets

1.

God gave Adam the knowledge of His names, while Ali held the entire knowledge of the Book of Allah.

2.

Adam was married with Eve in the Garden of Paradise, while God married Imam Ali (as) with Fatima (as) in heaven

3.

God styled Noah as a "Grateful Creature" and he was called the Second Adam, while Imam Ali (as) was styled as "Abu'l Ummah"

4.

God made Abraham the "Imam" or the "Leaders of men", while Imam Ali (as) was the Imam of all creation, men and Jinnis

5.

Moses was brought up in the house of Pharoah, while Imam Ali (as) was brought up in the house of the Prophet (PBUH&HF)

6.

Moses threw his rod which became a serpent, whereas Imam Ali (as), while still in the cradle, cleaved the snake into two

7.

Moses name has been mentioned 230 times in the Quran, while Imam Ali's (as) has been referred to in 300 places in the Quran

... and many many more"

Dear Ali Zaki, this is a clear insult of all the prophets of Allah. (Astaghfirullah)

How many more examples do you need to prove that you are raising the status not only of  Ali (ra) but of all the imams even superior to the prophets of Allah?  Do you need any more proofs?  I have many more of them.

May Allah guide you.

A well wisher

Dear Ali Zaki

Your reply has now openly reviled you in front of me.  Now I understand that you are just following the desires of your heart which is full of hate for all except Ali (ra).  Your replies are not only off the point but are inconsistent with your previous statements.

In reply to my this quote:

"the main difference between Shi�ism and other sects is the acceptance of Wilayat-e- Moula Ali (as) so where ever we give the first two testimonies ( i.e. Touheed & Risalat ) we should immediately give the third testimony, the wilayat of Moula Ali (as) and all shias believe that the Third testimony ( Ali un wali ullah ) is just as necessary as the first two testimonies.".

you said that �The shia have never claimed that "Ali un wali Allah" is part of the shahadda�.  But dear Zaki, the above statement clearly says that the third testimony is JUST AS NECESSARY AS THE FIRST TOW TESTIMONIES.  Dear Zaki you are just trying to hide your distorted belief from us.

In reply to my quote about imams �He possesses all virtues and worthy attributes� you said that it is ridiculous and non-sensical to think that your are raising the level of imam equal to Allah.  Dear Zaki tell me that did Allah not say that all the worthy attributes are for Allah?  Did he say that all the worthy attributes are for him and for imams?

In reply of my quote �the merits of Imam Ali (a.s.) in comparison to other prophets (as)� you have actually admitted the totally misguided philosophy of shiaism by saying that:

�the status of an Imam is higher than a prophet who was not given Immate�

astaghfirullah, astaghfirullah, astaghfirullah.

And last one point is that you were trying to hide your real face from the people in this forum.  But Allah has now exposed it for all of us.  In my previous question when I asked that why shia use abusive language for Abu Bakar (ra), Omer (ra), Usman (ra), Aisha (ra) and others, your reply was:

�Some of the Shia go too far in this, and I believe it is wrong.�

In this reply you tried to show that you are not one of them.  But Allah has exposed your real face now.

In your present reply you said that:

�In regards to what you quote from my favorite website ����

Will you please tell all the people in this forum that what is actually this your �favorite� website?  Surely you will not tell this because still you will try to hide your real face.  But I will not hide this.  This is a website which clearly and openly uses THE MOST DIRTY LANGUAGE for the companions and wife of the holy prophet peace be upon him.  You tried to hide your real face from people by saying that you are not one of them who use dirty language but dear Zaki your FAVORITE website says:

�Easy way to get janat, Say all the time � Allah hum la un Abu Bakar, Umar, Usman, Muaweyah.�

�Enemies of Ahlul-Bayt - Lanat Abu Baker - Lanat Umar - Lanat Usman - lanat on Muaweyah- Lanat on Yazeed.�

these are only two examples of the hundreds of dirty statements on your FAVORITE website. 

I am sorry dear Ali Zakir, you real face is now open to all of us.  You are surely one of those who use or like to use the awfully dirty language for the companions of prophet peace be upon him.

May Allah guide you.