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Minuteman, I dont believe you are wrong to want to help everyone. I'm exactly the same. I have never struggled so much with religion until I became a muslim. It is very hard. Yet I know God is still the same God to me as before. So I keep going.
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I feel this is a good topic because it's important for teaching us the proper method for acting towards non-muslim holidays. Because I will admit I do not know everything about Islam and still have quite a bit to learn ( like many of us do-gaining Knowledge in Islam is a life long progress), it is fundemental for us to learn what is and isn't haraam. In my opinion I think it is obvious that we should not particpate in holidays that belong to other faiths. But the matter of greeting and praising a holiday is a bit more challenging to determine.

I will never greet a non-muslim with a 'merry christmas', etc, or greet one back with such a phrase. Becuase in my heart I do not wish for them a merry Christmas. I do want for my fellow associates to follow Christianity so in all honestly I do not praise them any happiness in their holidays. Or any jewish holidays, budda holidays, etc. Yes, I respect their decision to follow the faith they chose to, but I do not wish them any happiness in their holidays and activites which only support there wrongful ways.

Now, if I am greeted with a universial 'happy holidays' I will also greet back with a 'happy holiday'. Because it is a universial comment that does not display any form of religion.

I have notice that some non-muslim are simply ignorant and sometimes mean no harm. While I do not understand if I'm wearing hijab I will still be greeted with a 'merry Christmas' blows my mind, but I am a kind individual and the best way to approach such a situation is to finish conducting buisness with the individual, have a small smile and walk away, their is no need to be disrespectful.

Now in my opinion the matter of non-religious holidays in my opinion is a matter of choice when determining if we as Muslims should particpate in them. Nothing that I know of in the Quran or as a hadith points out that it is haraam.

For example I heard talks of mothers day be spoken of in previously points.

What could be haraam about celebrating mothers day?!

No, the prophet Mohammed(pbuh) did not celebrated mothers day (or fathers day). But these holidays were not invented during his times.

Yes, we as mothers and fathers should be praised for our duties 365 days a year, but is their ANY WRONG for taking a particular day and making it special?

Yes, thanksgiving should be given 365 days a year, but if a non-muslim family member would like to get the family together as a reunion and to share common food together( Yes, I will stay away from pork), am I wrong for attending dinner with my family?

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 Yes, Layalee, good post. You should greet the non Muslims in a very good way and always wish them well from the bottom of your heart please. Such that you really mean it.

The christians are regularly celebrating christmas (25 December). It is their festival, right or wrong. If you wish them well, there is no harm. If you want to guide them, in future, to a good way of life i.e. Islam, it is better to greet them and well treat them. Otherwise, when you will try to preach to them, they will tell you to please take your Sermon to your own home.

 I cannot see anything bad in greeting a christian with a merry christmas, or a good morning, or a happy new year. It has not harmed me any. I do not go near pork/bacon or wine.

 If I am afraid that by greeting the christians, I will become a christian, that is too bad. That means I am not a proper Muslim. I am not well guided about my own religion and I am afraid. That would be bad. What do you say about me please. I am just another individual like all of you.

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Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

Minuteman, I dont believe you are wrong to want to help everyone. I'm exactly the same. I have never struggled so much with religion until I became a muslim. It is very hard. Yet I know God is still the same God to me as before. So I keep going.

 Martha, Greetings, Assalam u Alaikum,

 By accepting Islam, you have lost nothing. If you were a christian before (as i believe to be so), you have still got hazrat Isa (Jesu a.s.) with you with more real respect (love) than before. Similarly, you have got all the love of God with you and the love of all the men of God (Prophets).  You have lost nothing.

 You have to look after and love your son more than before. In Islam, the relations of the womb (Rehmi Rishtay) remain intact. If any one breaks those relations of the womb, i.e. brotherly or sisterly or maternal / paternal relations then the God ( Allah) who is Rehman, He does accept their prayers.

And pray constantly for the happiness, success and guidance of your son as much as you can. Whatever his religion, you only are his mother. If he feels hurt then do not discuss religion with him. But love him all the time and let him feel your love.

 I hope and pray that you remain satisfied with your new faith and have a good happy life. Ameen.

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Originally posted by Knowledge01 Knowledge01 wrote:

Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

As'Salamu Alaikum,

Brother Minute man , we shall cometo the point.Can you explain us what kafir means to you. I shall present my understanding of kafir.

Kafir� is derived from the word �kufr�, which means to conceal or to reject. In Islamic terminology, �Kafir� means one who conceals or rejects the truth of Islam and a person who rejects Islam is in English called a �non-Muslim�.

Do present your understanding of the word kufr / kafir



I intentionally did not touch on this point because it does not pertain to the topic at hand because sometimes we do not use the word "kafir" properly and as Allah uses it in Al Qur'an Al Karim.

In the link, "kafir" will be used to represent all non-Muslims, regardless if they are mushrikeen or Ahlul Kitaab.

Your definition is correct though, according to Qur'an and Sunnah.

BarakAllahu fik.
 

Wa alaikum assalaam:
According to our shaykh at our masjid, Kuffar are those who are not "people of the book". People of the book do not reject God. They are keepers of a part of His writings.
In Islamic Spain, those of Religions that were not Islam were allowed to practice their observances and religions in peace.  And the intolerances of the practices of other poeples? Is it of cultural origin or is it really Islam?
Knowledge, what is your claim to expertise, is it because you are a man, qualified scholar, imam shayk? What is your level of expertise?
I do not wish to descredit any scholar or learned person of Islam, but there is always a counter- fatwa for a fatwa. Explore other sources than that which you quote. did not the Angel Gabriel command the Prophet to "Read"? Clearly he wished Muhammad (saw) to think for himself?
I invite you to read a book written by three women called The Faith Club, written by a Muslim, a Jew and a Christian.
You might be surprised that we are more alike that different.

The Quran states:
30:22 "And among his wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colours: for in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of [innate] knowledge!"
42:13 The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

45:17 And We granted them Clear Signs in affairs (of religion): it was only after knowledge had been granted to them that they fell into schisms, through insolent envy among themselves. Verily thy Lord will judge between them on the Day of Judgment as to those matters in which they set up differences. -
After all is said and done, Allah Subanallah wa taa'la is the final judge. The person who tells you Merry Christmas may be the finest and may be more charitable than yourself to his fellow man that has less than himself. I reply with..thank you for your kind thought, enjoy your holiday.
So who are we to judge another. I have no judgment of you, you see the world through your eyes and beliefs, and I am no less a Muslim for defending the right of a non Muslim to wish me happiness, even if it is from their own happiness or their perspective of happiness. Spread the light of Islam, do not snuff it out. Encourage interfaith dialogs, don't build a wall with your religious Isolationism. True we must be wary, but we must be charitable, and wish peace to those who greet us in peace. Merry christmas is meant to be a greeting of peace in the eyes of Non muslims, return the greeting of it with "and Gods peace be with you" If you research this, you will find that this is a mandate from the Prophet (saw) himself.


Wasalaam, and please, think about it. By learning to Coexist with one another, we can bring peace and understanding to the world.




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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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And pray constantly for the happiness, success and guidance of your son as much as you can. Whatever his religion, you only are his mother. If he feels hurt then do not discuss religion with him. But love him all the time and let him feel your love.

 I hope and pray that you remain satisfied with your new faith and have a good happy life. Ameen.


Ameen sister. We shall all pray for you.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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As'Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

I was n't expecting so many members to participate. Masha-Allah.

Now, i bear more responsibility over this topic. I seek help from Allah swt and pray Allah swt, to guide us over a right path. Ameen

Am not a knowledgable person to discuss this topic and answer all your questions, though am trying to know them too. Am ready to accept that its not wrong to celebrate non-muslim festivals. I did not get a single proof to change my views.

I request you all to please go thru this link, which is bit long and if you are truly yearning for a right path, may Allah swt, bestow his blessing.

http://www.zawaj.com/articles/celebrations_munajjid.html

Its explained how we imitate them and i hope all your questions get answered. Please do take out some time and read it.

 

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Celebrataing Non Muslim Holiday

Is it permissible for Muslims to celebrate or participate in holidays such as Halloween, Brithdays, and Christmas functions?

Innal hamda lillaahu Ta'alaa. Wa Salaatu wa Salaamu 'alaa Rasuulullaahi, wa 'alaa ahlihi, wa ashaabihi, wa 'alaa man tabi'uhum bi ihsanin ilaa Yawmid Deen wa Sallamu tasleeman khatheeran. Amma ba'du.

The Prophet {Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam} made it very clear that in Islaam there are two festivals or holidays.  These are the 'Eid fesrivals.  The celebrations and holidays of the people are from among the actions that most distinguish one people from another. {In a Hadith is Sunan Abu Dawuud}

The Messenger of Allaah {Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam} said, "Whoever imitates (or resimbles) a people is one of them."

Therefore, it is not allowed for Muslims to participate in the holidays or celebrations of the non-Muslims.  Shaykhul Ialaam ibn Taymiyyah {Rahimahullaahu Ta'alaa} wrote in itiqadha al Sirat al Mustaqeem (vol.1,p.470).,

"There are a number of points that must be considered when discussing (the non-Muslims) festivals and hoildays.  First, festivals and holidays are from the wide range of laws, ways, and rites that Allah {Subhaanuhu wa ta'alaa} describes in the verse, 'For every nation We have established rites that they follow,' such as facing the Qiblah, prayer and fasting.  Here is no difference between joining them in their festivals and joining them in their other rites.  Agreeing to their hoilday is agreeing to infidelity (kufr), and agreeing to some minor aspects (of their religion) is like agreeing to a branch of infidelity.  In fact, the holidays and festivals are one of the major items that distinguishes their customs and laws, and are one of the most odvious of their rites.  Agreeing to it is agreeing to one of the most specific of the acts of infidelity and one of the most blaten of their rituals.  There is no doubt that agreeing to or being in accord with something of that nature can only lead to apostasy, in general, given its conditions."

Indeed, beyond that, the scholars have even said that it is not allowed for a Muslims to congratulate the non-Muslims on the holidays or festivals.  Ibn Qayyim in Ahkam Ahlul Dhimma (vol, !, p. 205) writes.

"Giving congragulations on the special events that are specific to the desbelievers, such as congratulating them on their holidays by saying, 'Blessed holiday for you.' or other similar greetings, is considered forbidden by the agreement of the scholars.  Even if the one who starts it is free from many aspect of apostasy, it is still forbidden and it is the same as congratulating them upon their prostrations to the crucifix.  In fact, that is one of the greates sins in Allaah's {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} sight.  That is a greater sin than congratulating them for drinking wine, having illegal sexual intercourse and so on.  Many of them who are not very religious do such things and they do not know how evil what they are doing really is.  Whoever congratulates another human for any sin, heresy, or act of apostasy has exposed himself to the punishment and Anger of Allah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa}.  The pious people from the earler scholars would avoid congratlation the oppressors when they received positions of authority or the ignorant when they were given judicial or teaching positions in order to avoid the punishment of Allaah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} and falling from His Grace.  If a person would be compelled to go to such people to repel any evil that he expected from him, only to speak well to him and to ask Allaah {Subhaamuhu wa Ta'alaa} to guide him, there is nothing wrong with that."

Ibn al Qayyim has included a benificial section mentioning the opinions of the scholars concerning this matter (ahkam ahlu Dhimma, vol.2,p. 722).  it shall be reproduced here with some abridgment:

"In the same way that is not allowed for them to publicly (celebrate their holidays), it is not allowed for the Muslims to assist them for according to the agreement of the People of Knowledge.  In fact, the jurists who follow the four legal schools have made this clear in their books."

Abu al Qasim al Tabari wrote 

"It is not allowed for Muslims to attend their (the desbelievers') holidays and festivals because they are a type of evil false-hood.  If the people of good mix with the people of evil without putting an end to what they are doing then they become like those who are pleased and influenced by the evil.   And fear falling into Allaah's {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} anger because of their gathering."

Then he stated relying on Abu Hatim's narration, that Amir ibn Murra said about the verse,  "Those who do not witness falsehood,"

"that they do not assist the people of idolatry in their idolatry nor do they associate with them."


Subhaanakallaahumma wa bi hamdika. Ashhadu an laa Ilaaha illaa Anta. Istaghfiruka wa Atuubu ilayka. Ameen

Also do please go thru this link.

http://www.muslimconverts.com/christmas/christmas_european_s isterD.htm

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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