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seekshidayath 
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 Posted: 06 January 2008 at 10:25pm |
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Mosque says to avoid Western holidays �Thanksgiving Out� TORONTO - A Toronto mosque is telling Muslims not to say �Happy Thanksgiving� or invite friends into their homes for turkey dinner on the holiday weekend. The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque says to �avoid participating� in dinners, parties or greetings on Thanksgiving because it is a kuffaar, or non-Muslim, celebration. A two-part article on the mosque Web site says Muslims should also �stay completely away� from �Halloween trick-and treat nonsense,� Christmas, New Year�s, anniversaries, birthdays and Earth Day. �How can we bring ourselves to congratulate or wish people well for their disobedience to Allah? Thus expressions such as:Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Birthday, Happy New Year, etc, are completely out,� it says. In 2003, the Khalid mosque, which mainly serves the Toronto Somali-Canadian community, apologized for a newsletter that compared wishing someone a Merry Christmas to congratulating a murderer. At the time, a junior employee was blamed for the slight, but the mosque�s Web site has since posted similar edicts covering not only Christmas but also virtually every other Western celebration. Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical.While not all are religious holidays, the Internet site says Muslims are required to be different from non-Muslims �in matters which are representative of them or are characteristic of their identity.� Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats, mingling and shaking hands with the opposite sex. �Allah and his messenger have warned us against following or imitating non-Muslims in things which are characteristic of their religion or beliefs. This is more emphasized in the case of their eids [festivals] or occasions,which always hold some religious or ideological non-Islamic meanings, and on which the kuffaar indulge in many evil practices.� And regarding the celebrations when it is concerened with families of non-muslims, we need to ask this to scholars as they are learnt persons. Am sure Islam is lenient towards it. They are allowed to be with them. I remember this, as in our previous discussions we read a link from islamonline. But otherwise, when we are n't related to families, we are not to celebrate it. Allah swt, knows the best. May Allah guide us to a right path . Ameen
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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martha
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 2:40am |
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The question has arisen concerning Mothers Day. The wilkpedia says the following:-
[edit] Mothering Sunday in Ireland & Britain
Mothering Sunday, often called "Mothers' Day" in the United Kingdom and Ireland, has no direct connection to the American practice. It falls on the fourth Sunday of Lent (exactly three weeks before Easter Sunday). It is believed to have originated from the 16th century Christian practice of visiting one's mother church annually, which meant that most mothers would be reunited with their children on this day. Most historians believe that young apprentices and young women in servitude were released by their masters that weekend in order to visit their families.[1] As a result of secularization, it is now principally used to celebrate and give thanks for mothers, although it is still recognized in the historical sense by some churches, with attention paid to Mary the mother of Jesus as well as the traditional concept 'Mother Church'. [edit] Mother's Day in the United States
The United States celebrate Mother's Day on the second Sunday in May. In the United States, Mother's Day was loosely inspired by the British day and was imported by social activist Julia Ward So in the UK it is primarily a Christian Holy Day. Surely , if Julia Ward was a Christian, then the US Mothers Day would also be seen as a Christian Day. In fact every day of the year to a true believer of Christ(Christian) is considered a holy day. So really, you could say that we should not work with Christians, or mix with them in any way whatsoever. |
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some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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martha
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 3:23am |
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Minuteman , thankyou for your kind words.Martha, Greetings, Assalam u Alaikum,
By accepting Islam, you have lost nothing. If you were a christian before (as i believe to be so), you have still got hazrat Isa (Jesu a.s.) with you with more real respect (love) than before. Similarly, you have got all the love of God with you and the love of all the men of God (Prophets). You have lost nothing. You have to look after and love your son more than before. In Islam, the relations of the womb (Rehmi Rishtay) remain intact. If any one breaks those relations of the womb, i.e. brotherly or sisterly or maternal / paternal relations then the God ( Allah) who is Rehman, He does accept their prayers. And pray constantly for the happiness, success and guidance of your son as much as you can. Whatever his religion, you only are his mother. If he feels hurt then do not discuss religion with him. But love him all the time and let him feel your love. I hope and pray that you remain satisfied with your new faith and have a good happy life. Ameen But it looks like I have lost everything. That is if I am to follow scholarly advice. If I dont follow exactly their words then I become a non-believer. In the early days of Islam, the Prophet(pbuH) advised his people because he knew how difficult it would be for them to follow it. Hence all the warnings. However scholars since give their opinions. No photographs,no shaking hands. The list is endless. And scholars vary in their teachings. So now I'm supposed to fear Allah and punishment from Him because others tell me this? And when questions have no satisfactory answer all I hear is 'Allah knows best'. I can see why spiritually weak people could easily abandon Islam. Fortunately I am not one of them. As a Christian before I was taught to avoid all confusing things. Does this now apply to me as a muslim? If this is the case then should I avoid confusing muslims? It looks to me as if I should avoid everyone in this life if Allah is to be pleased with me. Most people here dont know, or need to know all my circumstances. They only know a small portion of my life. But Allah has always guided me. And I know that every minute of every day He is with me. He is sufficient. And He helps me understand all things in His own time. So forgive me, anyone in the forum, if I fail to embrace some scholarly advice, because I listen to Allah first. And no amount of human ranting or raving, saying that I will be punished will alter my course. |
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Angel
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 3:49am |
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Tell me, if I go to any one of the eid festivals around me and there are few, join in in the celebrations and eat the food, wish muslims a happy eid (and I've done this here at the boards) am I suddenly muslim ?
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Angel
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 4:07am |
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Is there anywhere in islam, well from the quran and hadith, that provides what the punishment is? And is there anything that implies that Allah will punish you for wishing a merry/happy christmas, or wishing in general for goodness and happiness at anytime whatever the religion or other festivals are?
Some people are getting paranoid using the word merry in front of christmas, so instead they say happy. The word merry is in the same boat as happy  Merry is about being happy and joyess. It's the same with the word gay, it means being happy nothing to do with homosexuals. |
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Angel
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 4:46am |
What proof do you need? Tell me is there anything wrong with wishing people a happy time, wish them peace and goodness in life? Is that what you want them to give to you also? and in return? Is there anything wrong with celebrating life, being happy, peace, unity? Is any of this imitating the non believers, is it making you a kafir, a non believer? Sure, don't eat pork/drink alcohol/don't do the religious stuff etc. Earth day, that popped up somewhere and I was surprised because its in recognition of the only home, only planet we have, so what's the problem with having an earth day, which I think is on par with world environment day, sure everyday should be, along with other days of issues. Edited by Angel |
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 7:54am |
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Angel, I have never read in the Quran of a SPECIFIC punishment for any of our disbelieving actions, but surely Allah(swt) will plan the remaining of our destiny on the final hour when our deeds are weighed. While the Quran may not talk specifically on congratulating or greeting non-muslims on their relgious holidays[ such as saying: 'Merry christmas, Happy christmas ,happy hanukkah, etc, etc], I feel as if the Quran does indeed provide verses that shows that this is frown upon. If I use one holiday for the example, we all know that Christmas is a Christian holiday, that is suppose to praise the birth of their savior (Jesus- p.b.u.h). Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h) has never( to the best of my knowledge) celebrated Christmas. We as Muslim are to only look at Jesus(p.b.uh) as a prophet. To bring him to a higher level are actions of disbelievers. Al-Tauba 9:30 'And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah; that is what they say with their mouths. They IMITATE the sayings of those who disbelieved before them. Allah CURSE be on them! How are they turned away!' With the knowledge of this verse in my heart. I am a individual that honestly do not want to wish my Christian associates a 'merry' or 'happy' christmas, or any christian holiday, jewish, etc, etc, they choose to follow. Do I want the best for them in general, insha'Allah? Yes. I do not wish them harm or disapointment. Allah( swt) will take care of them in the end, with the way our Lord choose to. But I do not want Allah(swt) to ever think I agree with their holiday methods. How could I praise a religious holiday that I am against?? I do not wish to be a hyprocrite. The original posting has been a learning experience for me. I learnt how their is a connection with mother's day with Christian holidays. I will admit I was ignorant to that prior to this topic. Now that I know I will refrain from celebrating Mother's day. Will I respect my non- muslim mother? Of course., but I will show my love for her 365 days a year and hope she respects my decision for not celebrating mothers day. But as a mother, I will ask that others not buy me a gift and to ask that others not pick a particular day to be grateful of my duties. Al- Imran 3:120 Behold, you are those who love them, but they love you not. And you believe in all the Book. When they meet you they say, 'We Believe', but when they are alone, they bite their finger-tips at you for rage. Say, 'Perish in your rage. Surely, Allah knows well what is hidden in your breasts.' |
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 8:09am |
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Seekhidayath said: "Am ready to accept that its not wrong to celebrate non-muslim festivals. I did not get a single proof to change my views." That is because you never addressed my post. When you told me to look at the link I did and I responded back in even greater detail yet convinently, you ignored what I wrote. So now I'll go back to your post and I'll address what you're saying. Seekshidayath you said: Agreeing to their hoilday is agreeing to infidelity (kufr), and agreeing to some minor aspects (of their religion) is like agreeing to a branch of infidelity. In fact, the holidays and festivals are one of the major items that distinguishes their customs and laws, and are one of the most odvious of their rites. Agreeing to it is agreeing to one of the most specific of the acts of infidelity and one of the most blaten of their rituals. There is no doubt that agreeing to or being in accord with something of that nature can only lead to apostasy, in general, given its conditions." First off saying one agrees to something especially in the above context is obvious as there is no example of how one agrees to commence in festive activities. Do we constitute participation through greeting someone a "merry christmas?" Or do we constitute it on the level of sctive participation? You need to define these clearly. Indeed, beyond that, the scholars have even said that it is not allowed for a Muslims to congratulate the non-Muslims on the holidays or festivals. Well there are scholars who encourage their members to kill in the name of Allah and tell the men to mistreat their women so do I take the words of fallible men (scholars)? No. So the comment above does not apply. "Giving congragulations on the special events that are specific to the desbelievers, such as congratulating them on their holidays by saying, 'Blessed holiday for you.' or other similar greetings, is considered forbidden by the agreement of the scholars. Even if the one who starts it is free from many aspect of apostasy, it is still forbidden and it is the same as congratulating them upon their prostrations to the crucifix. So saying happy holiday is wrong. Well, that is the opinion of a scholar, a fallible man, but the scholar has yet to prove the important distinctions between saying happy holidays and merry Christmas or happy mother's day. What constitutes what? What are those distinctions that constitute active participation? I'm unsure of this remark: Even if the one who starts it is free from many aspect of apostasy, it is still forbidden and it is the same as congratulating them upon their prostrations to the crucifix. Whoever congratulates another human for any sin, heresy, or act of apostasy has exposed himself to the punishment and Anger of Allah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa}. The pious people from the earler scholars would avoid congratlation the oppressors when they received positions of authority or the ignorant when they were given judicial or teaching positions in order to avoid the punishment of Allaah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} and falling from His Grace. If a person would be compelled to go to such people to repel any evil that he expected from him, only to speak well to him and to ask Allaah {Subhaamuhu wa Ta'alaa} to guide him, there is nothing wrong with that." This entire paragraph appears is more rhetorical nonsense than actual informative messages. I find such of the animated words in the paragraph as a means to scare the gullible masses than educate them. "Avoid falling from his grace" come on! first off, how do we know we fall from God's grace in the first place? Do we somehow feel it biologically? Again your scholar has yet to prove clearly why celebrating non-muslim holidays is wrong. Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical.While not all are religious holidays, the Internet site says Muslims are required to be different from non-Muslims �in matters which are representative of them or are characteristic of their identity.� "While the internet site.....Sounds like you have received a lot of information from....an..internet site..... Ummm ok.
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